How do I remove the freewheel from a 1973 Schwinn Collegiate wheel?
08-18-23, 08:48 AM
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OK, well then learn this. A freewheel has no bearing on a wheel's OLD or how it's dished. If the wheel you're trying to put on the Collegiate is off-center, there is no freewheel in the world that is going to fix that. You need to start with a wheel that fits, and then worry about the freewheel.
Observe that most people here are telling you that freewheel is toast and should be thrown away, so you should have learned that also.
Observe that most people here are telling you that freewheel is toast and should be thrown away, so you should have learned that also.
08-18-23, 09:07 AM
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Yep. It is a bike forum. And you've been given two pages of advice and suggestions, including links to the correct, specific tool you need. You claim in post 16 that money isn't important ("If I spend $100 so what?"), yet you are unwilling to purchase the tool you need for $40 and are instead looking for an $8 kludge tool that may or may not work. If you had the proper tool, this job could have been accomplished in 30 seconds. Removing a freewheel isn't any more difficult that unscrewing a wheel nut. There's really nothing to learn. That's why most people, if they don't already own the tool, just pay a couple bucks to have a bike shop do it. There's literally no mechanical aptitude necessary.
There was no need for this thread to get to two pages. Removing freewheels isn't rocket science, and yet you are making it into one of the most difficult bike repairs imaginable. Why?
What more information do you need to remove the freewheel?
There was no need for this thread to get to two pages. Removing freewheels isn't rocket science, and yet you are making it into one of the most difficult bike repairs imaginable. Why?
What more information do you need to remove the freewheel?
I didnt say money isnt important. I said the budget is $100. Another example of how you imagine what you want to fuel your emotions.
Before I understood the ease of freewheel removal, others made comments suggesting it was difficult, not me. I only was seeking the right tool.
Based on the totality and credibility of the references, lack of importance, and significant cost difference, I will be ordering the FR-4 for $7.95.
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I'm sorry, I'm just not understanding why, if you're replacing the entire wheelset, you are even bothering with that rusty old freewheel.
That has nothing to do with whether the wheel is centered in the frame, at all. The rear wheel should sit centered between the dropouts either with or without any freewheel installed. In fact, you should take the one off the donor wheel and see how the wheel fits in the Collegiate then. It sounds like something's off.
What is the rear spacing? Is it 120mm? Unless the frame is bent, any properly dished 120mm wheel, with just about any 5 speed freewheel should fit. That old freewheel should be recycled along with the wheels, and zero dollars should be spent removing it.
That has nothing to do with whether the wheel is centered in the frame, at all. The rear wheel should sit centered between the dropouts either with or without any freewheel installed. In fact, you should take the one off the donor wheel and see how the wheel fits in the Collegiate then. It sounds like something's off.
What is the rear spacing? Is it 120mm? Unless the frame is bent, any properly dished 120mm wheel, with just about any 5 speed freewheel should fit. That old freewheel should be recycled along with the wheels, and zero dollars should be spent removing it.
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Sounds good.
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Surface oxidation? That's hilarious. We can all see the condition of the rims, the spoke protector, and the freewheel. That wheel (and probably the entire bike) has been sitting outside in the weather, for a long time. Your first picture shows that the rims are even rusted on the inside. What do you think the inner workings of that freewheel look like?
Considering that a new one is $20 and would shift more smoothly anyway, I have to again question why. You say you want to learn, but part of what you learn working on bikes for a while is to exercise good judgement and common sense. You're not picking up on that.
Considering that a new one is $20 and would shift more smoothly anyway, I have to again question why. You say you want to learn, but part of what you learn working on bikes for a while is to exercise good judgement and common sense. You're not picking up on that.
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One time I needed to get a freewheel off a new bike (my vintage Fuji, I think) but didn't own a 4-prong Suntour tool. The 2-prong wasn't going to work, and my LBS was closed. I took it up to REI and they did it while I waited, and didn't charge me anything. I still don't have that tool - I wasn't going to put that freewheel back on so I didn't need it.
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Um...if anyone is choosing to ignore things, it's definitely you.
You most certainly DID NOT state that was your "budget." Which is why I quoted you--and which I will do so again: "If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done." I don't see the word "budget" anywhere. So who's doing the imagining?
Sounds good.
You most certainly DID NOT state that was your "budget." Which is why I quoted you--and which I will do so again: "If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done." I don't see the word "budget" anywhere. So who's doing the imagining?
Sounds good.
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134mm
That is outside of locknuts. OLD Is this the right way to measure it?
The original Schwinn wheel is 126mm. There is a washer that slides in a groove on one side of the axel on the stock schwinn and none on the other side. If there is supposed to be one on the other side also then it would be 128mm. Must it be exact or is 8mm too much difference in width? Can it be widened?
If the fork can be widend by 12mm and the rear can be widened by 8mm, then I can use these wheels. Otherwise I have to use the stock hubs and learn how to build them into the new wheel rings. How much shorter are the new wheels from the original wheels in mm? I want to run 1.5" or 1.75" city tires which I know they make for this size rim.
The fork is 89mm and the new front wheel is 101mm. I dont know what the original stock wheel is on the front.
That is outside of locknuts. OLD Is this the right way to measure it?
The original Schwinn wheel is 126mm. There is a washer that slides in a groove on one side of the axel on the stock schwinn and none on the other side. If there is supposed to be one on the other side also then it would be 128mm. Must it be exact or is 8mm too much difference in width? Can it be widened?
If the fork can be widend by 12mm and the rear can be widened by 8mm, then I can use these wheels. Otherwise I have to use the stock hubs and learn how to build them into the new wheel rings. How much shorter are the new wheels from the original wheels in mm? I want to run 1.5" or 1.75" city tires which I know they make for this size rim.
The fork is 89mm and the new front wheel is 101mm. I dont know what the original stock wheel is on the front.
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08-18-23, 05:50 PM
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FR- 4 remover will work just fine.
Went and dug a wheel out, I had the FR-4
The OLD on this 1974 LeTour wheel is 120
Went and dug a wheel out, I had the FR-4
The OLD on this 1974 LeTour wheel is 120
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the park tool is only $8. but how much is the satisfaction of doing it yourself worth? its something fun to do and you learn something new. I saw this poor green 73 collegiate 5 speed and I dont know.. I just felt sorry for it and wanted to save it. ... If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done. I mean we all love bikes right? Besides Im going to put alloy wheels and hybrid tires on it, upgrade the brakes and maybe get rid of the stick shift on the stem and weld on a shifter boss on the down tube (heck I dont know).
Lesson #2... learn that no matter what John gets away with in his well equipped shop, FR-4 Park Tool is NOT the correct one for your rusty Schwinn Approved Normandy freewheel with Pyramid Shaped splines... and the wheel you're currently intending on trying to force into your Schwinn frame Won't Fit, no matter what Freewheel your put on it.... At least not without a Different Axle in it and the proper Spacers to make the wheel center up in your extremely heavy bike frame.
do you own Cone Wrenches yet? you'll be needing them
Have you actually MEASURED the 5 sp., FW yet? How about measuring the 6sp. FW .... Realize that they are just about the Same Width, when you include that silly extra weight that is meant to keep the chain from coming off the small end of the FW.........
so your entire reason for removing the 5sp. FW is mute, no matter what tool you choose.Lesson #3... CHANGING FREEWHEELS WON'T MAKE HUB ASSEMBLIES NARROWER..
Lesson #4... ". If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done."
Busted.
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lesson #1... that seller will add at least $5.75 for shipping, OR MORE.... you want to learn, learn that shipping is extra from that place.
Lesson #2... learn that no matter what John gets away with in his well equipped shop, FR-4 Park Tool is NOT the correct one for your rusty Schwinn Approved Normandy freewheel with Pyramid Shaped splines.
Lesson #2... learn that no matter what John gets away with in his well equipped shop, FR-4 Park Tool is NOT the correct one for your rusty Schwinn Approved Normandy freewheel with Pyramid Shaped splines.
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If English is your second language, then I'll forgive you for not knowing that the common meaning of the words "so what" are "IT'S NOT IMPORTANT" or "I DON'T CARE."
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lesson #1... that seller will add at least $5.75 for shipping, OR MORE.... you want to learn, learn that shipping is extra from that place.
Lesson #2... learn that no matter what John gets away with in his well equipped shop, FR-4 Park Tool is NOT the correct one for your rusty Schwinn Approved Normandy freewheel with Pyramid Shaped splines... and the wheel you're currently intending on trying to force into your Schwinn frame Won't Fit, no matter what Freewheel your put on it.... At least not without a Different Axle in it and the proper Spacers to make the wheel center up in your extremely heavy bike frame.
do you own Cone Wrenches yet? you'll be needing them
Have you actually MEASURED the 5 sp., FW yet? How about measuring the 6sp. FW .... Realize that they are just about the Same Width, when you include that silly extra weight that is meant to keep the chain from coming off the small end of the FW......... so your entire reason for removing the 5sp. FW is mute, no matter what tool you choose.
and one more thing... Lesson #3... CHANGING FREEWHEELS WON'T MAKE HUB ASSEMBLIES NARROWER..
lesson #4... ". If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done."
Busted.
Lesson #2... learn that no matter what John gets away with in his well equipped shop, FR-4 Park Tool is NOT the correct one for your rusty Schwinn Approved Normandy freewheel with Pyramid Shaped splines... and the wheel you're currently intending on trying to force into your Schwinn frame Won't Fit, no matter what Freewheel your put on it.... At least not without a Different Axle in it and the proper Spacers to make the wheel center up in your extremely heavy bike frame.
do you own Cone Wrenches yet? you'll be needing them
Have you actually MEASURED the 5 sp., FW yet? How about measuring the 6sp. FW .... Realize that they are just about the Same Width, when you include that silly extra weight that is meant to keep the chain from coming off the small end of the FW.........
so your entire reason for removing the 5sp. FW is mute, no matter what tool you choose.and one more thing... Lesson #3... CHANGING FREEWHEELS WON'T MAKE HUB ASSEMBLIES NARROWER..
lesson #4... ". If I spend $100 so what, its entertainment for me and I have somethign to show for it and talk about when Im done."
Busted.
You kep going on about freewheels and narrowing hubs as if I insisted or stated as fact or argued a point. I never made such an argument. I did mention in passing that I wondered if a 6 sprocket is wider or somehow made the hub assembly wider. I did wonder that at one point but it certainly is not a point of contention or argument on my part. Once again, you are jousting windmills and stabbing strawmen. To quote a famous song writer.. "That aint me babe. no no no... that aint me.. that aint me youre looking for .... babe."
Yes I have a few wrenches that have found their way onto my toolboard over the years. I dont know if I have the right size. I will upload a pic shortly of all my hodgepodge of bike tools.
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You just proved I never said "money doesnt matter". So actually you just busted yourself. LOL Yes it means I dont care if it costs $100. Thats not the same as saying money doesnt matter. If you said, "money doesnt matter so long as it doesnt exceed $100" then you would be right but that doesnt fit your narrative so you left that part off.
You kep going on about freewheels and narrowing hubs as if I insisted or stated as fact or argued a point. I never made such an argument. I did mention in passing that I wondered if a 6 sprocket is wider or somehow made the hub assembly wider. I did wonder that at one point but it certainly is not a point of contention or argument on my part. Once again, you are jousting windmills and stabbing strawmen. To quote a famous song writer.. "That aint me babe. no no no... that aint me.. that aint me youre looking for .... babe."
Yes I have a few wrenches that have found their way onto my toolboard over the years. I dont know if I have the right size. I will upload a pic shortly of all my hodgepodge of bike tools.
You kep going on about freewheels and narrowing hubs as if I insisted or stated as fact or argued a point. I never made such an argument. I did mention in passing that I wondered if a 6 sprocket is wider or somehow made the hub assembly wider. I did wonder that at one point but it certainly is not a point of contention or argument on my part. Once again, you are jousting windmills and stabbing strawmen. To quote a famous song writer.. "That aint me babe. no no no... that aint me.. that aint me youre looking for .... babe."
Yes I have a few wrenches that have found their way onto my toolboard over the years. I dont know if I have the right size. I will upload a pic shortly of all my hodgepodge of bike tools.
Psst.. this isn't a competition, and i never said that you said "money doesn't matter."... not that it matters.
smh.
curious.. what do you use the 22mm scw for?
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there's a lot of different triangles, and pyramid is funner to type that equilateral.
Pyramids aren't equilateral, btw.... the Giza limestone heaps were built at 59 deg........
wait.. are you....... Anti-Egyprtian?
do you cringe when people chant "Ra, Ra, Ra!" ?
Pyramids aren't equilateral, btw.... the Giza limestone heaps were built at 59 deg........
wait.. are you....... Anti-Egyprtian?
do you cringe when people chant "Ra, Ra, Ra!" ?
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yah.. whatever... i'm diggin' the M/C axle wrench that also can drive the cheesy spark plug sockets in the tool kits...... i have one in the garage, wrapped with a couple feet of duct tape... it's mixed in with the $50K or so other tools i've bought over the years........... my bike tools are a very small part of the collection...
Psst.. this isn't a competition, and i never said that you said "money doesn't matter."... not that it matters.
smh.
curious.. what do you use the 22mm scw for?
Psst.. this isn't a competition, and i never said that you said "money doesn't matter."... not that it matters.
smh.
curious.. what do you use the 22mm scw for?
update scw is shop cone wrench.
I have a lot of automotive tools and home repair tools.
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yah.. whatever... i'm diggin' the M/C axle wrench that also can drive the cheesy spark plug sockets in the tool kits...... i have one in the garage, wrapped with a couple feet of duct tape... it's mixed in with the $50K or so other tools i've bought over the years........... my bike tools are a very small part of the collection...
Psst.. this isn't a competition, and i never said that you said "money doesn't matter."... not that it matters.
smh.
curious.. what do you use the 22mm scw for?
Psst.. this isn't a competition, and i never said that you said "money doesn't matter."... not that it matters.
smh.
curious.. what do you use the 22mm scw for?
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Lesson #5... i'm out..
i'm sure someone will be along to encourage you to coldset that green bike to fit that donor wheel.question: are the forks the flat Bladed ones, or a rounder, tube-like profile?
ps.. those seats hurt my seat. Below is an old style schwinn black leather seat rider...
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5V...UJi5kFTzmC.jpg
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be aware thast we are trying to help you not waste your time on that 5 sp freewheel. you're wanting to throw cash at.... and also be aware that your 135mm O.L.D. Rear wheel won't fit in your frame no matter what freewheel you screw onto it.
Lesson #5... i'm out.. i'm sure someone will be along to encourage you to coldset that green bike to fit that donor wheel.
question: are the forks the flat Bladed ones, or a rounder, tube-like profile?
ps.. those seats hurt my seat. Below is an old style schwinn black leather seat rider...
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5V...UJi5kFTzmC.jpg
Lesson #5... i'm out..
i'm sure someone will be along to encourage you to coldset that green bike to fit that donor wheel.question: are the forks the flat Bladed ones, or a rounder, tube-like profile?
ps.. those seats hurt my seat. Below is an old style schwinn black leather seat rider...
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5V...UJi5kFTzmC.jpg