Tire dust-leading source of environmental pfas contamination
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PFAS or polyfluoroalkyl substances are called “forever chemicals” because they are almost noble…i.e. they don’t react with much of anything. That’s why we use them. You can destroy them by trying to burn them but they really don’t “burn”. They just decompose into really nasty stuff. Up to about 350°C (660°F), they are pretty much impervious to anything.
Micro plastics are defined as particle smaller than 5mm. That’s actually a rather large particle. Most of the microplastics found at high altitudes are the tiniest of particles…down to the micron (0.001mm) or submicron size…that can picked up by the wind and transported into the upper atmosphere. Some may even serve as nucleating sites for rain drops and/or snow flakes like dust particle do. The mass of these microplastics particles is in the range of nanograms. That’s 1 billionth of a gram. A single grocery bag could decompose to 6 billion microplastics particles. A single PET bottle could decompose to about 9 billion microplastics particles. You can start to see the problem. Even a little bit of plastic can result in a huge number of microplastics particles.
But those pale in comparison to what comes off tires. Tires put about 40 kg of rubber into the air per kilometer of road way per day. Per year, that 14.6 metric tons per km or 14.6 million grams or 1.4x10^16 nanogram sized particles per kilometer of road way. Given that there are 4.09 million miles of road in the US, that means there are 9.1x10^24 nanogram sized particles put into the air every year. That’s 98 million metric tons per year. Worldwide, we use 480 billion plastic bottles every year which, at 8 g per bottle, works out to 3.8 million metric tons per year and it takes quite a while for a bottle to break down to the nanogram sized particle. But that is worldwide. Worldwide rubber release is 980 million metric tons per year.
Consider how high that number would be if we still used bias ply tires on vehicles instead of radials. Bias ply tires heat up more than radials and wear faster by about 3 times. Those values above would be 3 times higher if bias tires were still the predominate tire.
Yea, it’s tires. People have proposed calling the current era the “Plastic Era”. Maybe we should call it the Rubber Era. But no PFAS was used or released by those tires.
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Single use plastics are the primary source of microplastics and much can be generated from inefficient plastics products recycling. Only 5% of recyclable plastic is actually recycled into new products and the rest is burned or dumped. I do not buy anything that comes in a single use plastic container. It is better for my personal health and better for the environment.
Micro plastics from tires are a problem but a bigger one is the 99% of the tires end up in a landfill dump. We pay a "disposal fee" for each new tire for our vehicles but that money never goes toward recycling tires but instead ends up in our state's general fund. Twenty years ago there was a major tire recycling plant in my state but it was closed as it did not produce enough of a profit. Capitalism is what is killing the planet, when profits come first and people come second and the environment is not considered at all.
As for recycling of tires, that’s a tough nut to crack. We want tires that last up to miles and miles as well as years and years of friction so we don’t want them to be too delicate. If they fell apart easily…i.e. are easy to recycle…they wouldn’t last up to the conditions we expose them to. Plastics fall into a couple of categories…thermoplastic and thermoset plastics. Thermoplastics can be melted and reformed almost endlessly. Contaminates (food, drink, oils, etc.) get in the way but even those can be removed fairly easily…but not it’s not too economical to do so. But, over all, apply a little heat and you can make the same stuff or different stuff from the thermoplastic
Thermoset plastics are plastics that generally crosslink and form tough, durable items like tires. Unfortunately, those crosslinks make reforming the plastic into something else next to impossible. Heating them usually causes the crosslinks to become more dense and thus stronger. In a tire, heating the tire to reform it would also make it less “rubbery”. It’s fairly easy to make the rubber…technically an elastomer…become less elastic. In other words, it’s easy to make rubber into a hockey puck but the world doesn’t need a whole lot of hockey pucks. You can grind the tires up to make crumble for artificial turf but that seems to cause problems as per TLit’s original post. Most any other grinding of tires is going to have similar problems. But you can’t grind up the old tires to make new tires…at least not currently.
And that brings us back to mining landfills. Leave the material buried and work on ways of reusing it. Once it becomes something that someone can make money doing…i.e. capitalism…there will be a reason to mine those landfills.
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I guess the purpose of this thread is to create an argument, congrats, you have succeeded, but it's not like there isn't anything else to argue about.
In Florida there is a mountain of garbage they've given a name, Mount Trashmore, it is higher than as a 20 story building. Given how flat southern Florida, you can see it from 30 miles or more away. Some of the garbage mounds in Florida are so much higher than the surrounding that they have to put lights on them to warn pilots so they don't hit them. In south Florida, the highest points are all garbage dumps, only the foothills in the northern panhandle are higher.
I live in MN, just south of the Koch refinery (how fitting) they are two gynormous hills of garbage, it is fast becoming the highest point in the area.
Those big buckets of trash you put out every week, it all ends up somewhere.
In Florida there is a mountain of garbage they've given a name, Mount Trashmore, it is higher than as a 20 story building. Given how flat southern Florida, you can see it from 30 miles or more away. Some of the garbage mounds in Florida are so much higher than the surrounding that they have to put lights on them to warn pilots so they don't hit them. In south Florida, the highest points are all garbage dumps, only the foothills in the northern panhandle are higher.
I live in MN, just south of the Koch refinery (how fitting) they are two gynormous hills of garbage, it is fast becoming the highest point in the area.
Those big buckets of trash you put out every week, it all ends up somewhere.
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Better put on a respirator and goggles and hermetically seal your laundry room every time you clean your dryer's lint trap then, because I have some vewy bad news for y'all about your dryer lint...
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I'm surprised California hasn't banned those fabric softener sheets that some people use in the dryer.
And what about all the spandex/lycra and cycling shoes that is thrown away? It's mostly made from fossil fuels.
And what about all the spandex/lycra and cycling shoes that is thrown away? It's mostly made from fossil fuels.
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Probably higher up than it used to be. Modern car technology (like 40 or 50 years ago “modern”) have significantly reduced the other pollutants. Catalytic converts have reduced the amount of unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. Fuel systems have been improved to keep unburned hydrocarbons from getting out of the vehicle. Even diesel engines are getting cleaner. Nothing has really been done to reduce tire dust.
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Is anybody still wondering what forever chemicals are and how they end up in our bloodstream?
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