On-the-wheel tubular tire repair
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On-the-wheel tubular tire repair
Everybody knows fixing flats is the bane of tubular tire users, so when I got a flat on a nearly new tire I decided to try something different. I was too lazy to rip off the tire, open the casing, and fix the tube, and the tire wasn't that good that it justified having the repair professionally done, so after a little thought I decided I'd try some of that new-fangled tire sealant. I picked up a bottle at the LBS, got home and of course discovered that my tires don't have removable valve cores.
No matter; this stuff is supposed to seal punctures, right, so what's another hole? I gathered my materials:
1 bottle "Stan's Tire Sealant," fresh from the LBS, well agitated.
1 20cc piston syringe
1 22ga hypodermic needle
1 Pista floor pump
1 wheel with punctured tubular tire.
Step 1: put a little air in the tire, using aforementioned pump. This gives the tube some shape and allows me to introduce the needle without transfixing the tube. Fortunately the leak was small enough to retain the air for several minutes:
Step 2: remove plunger from syringe, attach needle, and introduce needle into the tube. You know you're in the right place when you hear the air return. Just like a chest tube!
Step 3: remove syringe from needle hub, leaving needle properly placed in the tube. The 22ga needle lumen is still quite small, so it will take a while for a significant amount of air to be lost. In any case, you can always add more.
Step 4: fill syringe with sealant from bottle. I used about 15cc. The LBS guy told me the bottle held enough for 2 tires (59ml), but the bottle states it was intended for MTB tires. I figured I could get away with less with narrow tubulars.
Step 5: attach syringe to needle hub and inject sealant.
Step 6: remove needle, inflate to full pressure, and give the wheel a good spin to spread the sealant around, then wait to see if it works.
Several hours later, it's still at full pressure, so I declare the procedure a success!
No matter; this stuff is supposed to seal punctures, right, so what's another hole? I gathered my materials:
1 bottle "Stan's Tire Sealant," fresh from the LBS, well agitated.
1 20cc piston syringe
1 22ga hypodermic needle
1 Pista floor pump
1 wheel with punctured tubular tire.
Step 1: put a little air in the tire, using aforementioned pump. This gives the tube some shape and allows me to introduce the needle without transfixing the tube. Fortunately the leak was small enough to retain the air for several minutes:
Step 2: remove plunger from syringe, attach needle, and introduce needle into the tube. You know you're in the right place when you hear the air return. Just like a chest tube!
Step 3: remove syringe from needle hub, leaving needle properly placed in the tube. The 22ga needle lumen is still quite small, so it will take a while for a significant amount of air to be lost. In any case, you can always add more.
Step 4: fill syringe with sealant from bottle. I used about 15cc. The LBS guy told me the bottle held enough for 2 tires (59ml), but the bottle states it was intended for MTB tires. I figured I could get away with less with narrow tubulars.
Step 5: attach syringe to needle hub and inject sealant.
Step 6: remove needle, inflate to full pressure, and give the wheel a good spin to spread the sealant around, then wait to see if it works.
Several hours later, it's still at full pressure, so I declare the procedure a success!
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I see why you did this, but the idea of adding a hole to the sidewall area of a high pressure tubular tire makes me more than just a little nervous. Especially on the front wheel.
Good luck!
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Vittoria Pit stop requires neither removeable valve cores, nor syringes.
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Eh, why? The worst that can happen is another flat, just like the one that brought me to this point in the first place. Remember, a front flat on a tubular tire is much safer than a front flat on a clincher tire because a tubular tire doesn't rely on air pressure to keep the tire attached to the rim.
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Eh, why? The worst that can happen is another flat, just like the one that brought me to this point in the first place. Remember, a front flat on a tubular tire is much safer than a front flat on a clincher tire because a tubular tire doesn't rely on air pressure to keep the tire attached to the rim.
Bontrager branded Vittoria.
But, I took my handy NoTubes sealant injector, removed the valve core, and injected 10cc of sealant. Shook the tire around a bit, put the valve back on, and inflated it. It held 100psi for longer than it had before, when puncture-free, and held ride-able pressure for several days longer than it was previously capable.
https://www.notubes.com/product_info....products_id/46
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I did something similar with a tubular tire I had laying around the garage.
Bontrager branded Vittoria.
But, I took my handy NoTubes sealant injector, removed the valve core, and injected 10cc of sealant. Shook the tire around a bit, put the valve back on, and inflated it. It held 100psi for longer than it had before, when puncture-free, and held ride-able pressure for several days longer than it was previously capable.
https://www.notubes.com/product_info....products_id/46
Bontrager branded Vittoria.
But, I took my handy NoTubes sealant injector, removed the valve core, and injected 10cc of sealant. Shook the tire around a bit, put the valve back on, and inflated it. It held 100psi for longer than it had before, when puncture-free, and held ride-able pressure for several days longer than it was previously capable.
https://www.notubes.com/product_info....products_id/46
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Certainly a clever solution, and I guess one more little hole won't matter, especially if it's effectively plugged.
Front wheel flats just freak me out, even if you're less likely to roll a tire with tubulars.
Front wheel flats just freak me out, even if you're less likely to roll a tire with tubulars.
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Would it be possible to get the syringe needle down the valve hole?
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Nicely done
BTW Did anyone see the ad, that pops up on this site about needles and syringes? Is it to do with this thread, or the other use that is so popular with Baseball players?
BTW Did anyone see the ad, that pops up on this site about needles and syringes? Is it to do with this thread, or the other use that is so popular with Baseball players?
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One day later:
Still holding full pressure; the injection site is circled.
Still holding full pressure; the injection site is circled.
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Take it a step further and make your own sealant. powdered latex (or latex patching and leveling additive, but that stuff stinks), and some water. Or windshield wiper fluid if your'e going to be using the tires below freezing.
I made 2 gallons for about $4, and it works just as well.
I made 2 gallons for about $4, and it works just as well.
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I have a tire that is a slow leaker and I opened it but couldn't find the puncture. I'm interested in giving this syringe approach a try and would like to know where to buy stuff locally.
Would Slime work as a sealant in tubulars?
Powdered latex?
Where does one buy a syringe - at a drug store? I thought one need a prescription to buy them.
Would Slime work as a sealant in tubulars?
Powdered latex?
Where does one buy a syringe - at a drug store? I thought one need a prescription to buy them.
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you don't need a removable valve core. just open the valve, then put a small length of plastic tubing on it, fill the tubing with sealant, then inflate around the tubing. positive pressure will push the sealant in through the valve.
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wow, how much is that pit stop stuff?
i am assuming that with DEEP profile rims i'll need to dismount the valve area of the tire from the rim and then remove valve extender?
i am assuming that with DEEP profile rims i'll need to dismount the valve area of the tire from the rim and then remove valve extender?
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How small diameter and where can such tubing be bought?