C record era brake lever inserts - alternatives for aero routing ?
10-12-16, 02:08 PM
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C record era brake lever inserts - alternatives for aero routing ?
Hey folks - I just tried to use a set of campy inserts to convert what I'm pretty sure are c record levers to aero routing. They won't fit. Either the ones I have are for another model or I'm just more mechanically challenged than I think I am.
Problem is without the insert, the brake cable rubs on the (real pita) hex nut assembly that tightens the clamp without it. Yes, you probably knew that. And I know not all these levers have the hex nut - some have an Allen head which may not need the insert.
To cut to the chase, anyone have a work around for this that they've tried successfully?
Problem is without the insert, the brake cable rubs on the (real pita) hex nut assembly that tightens the clamp without it. Yes, you probably knew that. And I know not all these levers have the hex nut - some have an Allen head which may not need the insert.
To cut to the chase, anyone have a work around for this that they've tried successfully?
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Let's see a photo of what you have so we can diagnose the problem.
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I think the earliest aero version came without the little guide plates. If your levers don't have slots on both sides for the little plate so slide in they don't belong there.
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re: photos
That appears to be the correct adapter and those do appear to be C-Record levers. If you look at the inside on the back, there should be a knockout on one side of each lever that gets removed to run your cable out. It is a bit tricky to get the little buggers in. IIRC, I had some issues getting mine in position. You just have to keep wiggling. I think I ended up using some leverage to get it done and maybe needle-nose pliers.
That appears to be the correct adapter and those do appear to be C-Record levers. If you look at the inside on the back, there should be a knockout on one side of each lever that gets removed to run your cable out. It is a bit tricky to get the little buggers in. IIRC, I had some issues getting mine in position. You just have to keep wiggling. I think I ended up using some leverage to get it done and maybe needle-nose pliers.
10-12-16, 10:23 PM
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re: photos
That appears to be the correct adapter and those do appear to be C-Record levers. If you look at the inside on the back, there should be a knockout on one side of each lever that gets removed to run your cable out. It is a bit tricky to get the little buggers in. IIRC, I had some issues getting mine in position. You just have to keep wiggling. I think I ended up using some leverage to get it done and maybe needle-nose pliers.
That appears to be the correct adapter and those do appear to be C-Record levers. If you look at the inside on the back, there should be a knockout on one side of each lever that gets removed to run your cable out. It is a bit tricky to get the little buggers in. IIRC, I had some issues getting mine in position. You just have to keep wiggling. I think I ended up using some leverage to get it done and maybe needle-nose pliers.
Possible there were variations from year to year? These plates were from another set of levers I didn't use aero routing with. Think the others are chorus.
10-13-16, 03:16 AM
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FWIW I've found they're very tricky to get in - to the point where you think it's physically impossible. Then you manage to get it in place and it will fall out when you're installing the lever.
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It's been awhile but I recall installing them from the inside...and yes, as soon as you get them in they fall out.
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Wileyone, from the shape of the hoods, they are C-Record models, Chorus hoods are differently cut, along the sides, looking at both on VeloBase.
If the adapter is falling out when you are attaching them, could you put a strip of tape in place to hold everything until they are secured? It has worked on other applications, in the past, for me
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For the purposes of this thread they're all the same. All models of Campy levers requiring the insert for aero routing use the same insert and its inserted in the same manner for all levers.
In regards to C record specific levers.....that depends. IIRC the only Record level brakes were either Cobalto aka fancy SR or Delta. Cobalto levers do NOT have built in QR's. Delta levers do have built in QR's.
My guess is that they're Cobalto levers.
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Wileyone, from the shape of the hoods, they are C-Record models, Chorus hoods are differently cut, along the sides, looking at both on VeloBase.
If the adapter is falling out when you are attaching them, could you put a strip of tape in place to hold everything until they are secured? It has worked on other applications, in the past, for me
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If the adapter is falling out when you are attaching them, could you put a strip of tape in place to hold everything until they are secured? It has worked on other applications, in the past, for me
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, I was addressing Miamijim's concern, also. My bad
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Yeah they just take a lot of fanageling. They are one of those things you fool with one it pops right in but you have no idea how you did it, and as mentioned they often fall out right away.
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It worked OK, but I ended up rerunning them in the non-aero style because they seem to pull a little better that way.
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I'm reviving this old thread, because it wants me to.
The op's levers are C-Record, but I have some Chorus levers with the same type of plate setup for aero routing. (btw, one difference I see between the two models is the quick release button on the Chorus.) Here's a Chorus lever and the plate:
OP asks if you can route the cable to the aero hole without the plate, even if the clamp bolt uses an allen key. And, at least for Chorus, I will answer "not in good conscience." It might actually work, but the cable is going to rub the body of the lever at the bottom of the aero hole in a way that just doesn't look right. Looks kludged.
I actually thought about doing this for the rear brake, because I only have one plate. But then I found some Athena levers today in the bin at the lbs. Instead of a plate, they have a sort of floating cable anchor in the slot:
Yeah, they came with black hoods. I switched 'em to the white hoods from the Chorus pair. Here's a pic of the two models, with Athena having the hole in the front.
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The op's levers are C-Record, but I have some Chorus levers with the same type of plate setup for aero routing. (btw, one difference I see between the two models is the quick release button on the Chorus.) Here's a Chorus lever and the plate:
OP asks if you can route the cable to the aero hole without the plate, even if the clamp bolt uses an allen key. And, at least for Chorus, I will answer "not in good conscience." It might actually work, but the cable is going to rub the body of the lever at the bottom of the aero hole in a way that just doesn't look right. Looks kludged.
I actually thought about doing this for the rear brake, because I only have one plate. But then I found some Athena levers today in the bin at the lbs. Instead of a plate, they have a sort of floating cable anchor in the slot:
Yeah, they came with black hoods. I switched 'em to the white hoods from the Chorus pair. Here's a pic of the two models, with Athena having the hole in the front.
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‘“First gen” Corsa Record regular - aero levers were actually used prior on the last Colbalto brakes. No QR button. The Very First Delta calipers had a QR at the top of the caliper.
‘almost all prototype only
then the QR button was part of the lever to expand the caliper for a wheel exchange.
an additional problem with the little bugger cable plate was that it did not increase mechanical advantage very much, we at the shop exchanged these after with Suntour ACG levers that were better
and that little “mouse hole” cast in guide to show the trim back for the cable housing? Surely you are joking Valentino.
dark days they were, and I am a Campagnolo enthusiast.
‘almost all prototype only
then the QR button was part of the lever to expand the caliper for a wheel exchange.
an additional problem with the little bugger cable plate was that it did not increase mechanical advantage very much, we at the shop exchanged these after with Suntour ACG levers that were better
and that little “mouse hole” cast in guide to show the trim back for the cable housing? Surely you are joking Valentino.
dark days they were, and I am a Campagnolo enthusiast.
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I have had a pair of those for several years and have not used them. They did not come with the plate. Bought the plates for $14 out of eastern Europe. Good thing the levers were free!
P1010110 on Flickr
IIRC you slide them in at the top with the longer slot and then move them down the step to the shorter part of the slot.
P1010110 on FlickrIIRC you slide them in at the top with the longer slot and then move them down the step to the shorter part of the slot.
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Check this out. I lost the email thread to the seller of my Chorus levers to ask if he had my missing plate, so I looked on Craigslist again to see if I could find him. And I did! And guess what. He found the tiny little plate in the bottom of a box and sent it to me. Is that f'n lucky or what?! 😁