A lot of the recent "innovation" is a bad bargain for anyone not pushing a competitiv
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Sure you might enjoy them. If you are not that strong, in that good a shape, are a very tiny person, or are a senior citizen, then you will enjoy as many gears and as light a bike as you can get, and if you are not that alert or good a rider, then those good brakes might get you out of a jam. As far as ergonomics go, road bikes have not changed in design for 120 years.
The most popular section of BikeForums is the vintage section by far, which means a lot more people agree with me that new stuff is not necessary than agree with you.
The most popular section of BikeForums is the vintage section by far, which means a lot more people agree with me that new stuff is not necessary than agree with you.
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Here is a recreational rider on a 90 degree head tube, 90 degree seat tube angle bicycle. Look at her hip angle. Look how slow she is.
(I dunno, man. Just throwin' it out there.)
(I dunno, man. Just throwin' it out there.)
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On our monthly C&V rides, most of the riders have both C&V and modern bikes, so the idea that the C&V forum being popular means all those folks DON'T ride modern bikes is nonsense.
I'd bet most of the posters on that forum have more modern bikes in addition to their C&V bikes, and most of us have more than one C&V bike, and a tendency to acquire more, and fix them up, so we're constantly asking questions, posting pictures, bragging about how cheap we found this bike for etc.
I'd bet most of the posters on that forum have more modern bikes in addition to their C&V bikes, and most of us have more than one C&V bike, and a tendency to acquire more, and fix them up, so we're constantly asking questions, posting pictures, bragging about how cheap we found this bike for etc.
I figured you had the "people who ride both" angle covered.
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Here is a recreational rider on a 90 degree head tube, 90 degree seat tube angle bicycle. Look at her hip angle. Look how slow she is.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQBbHzypBro
(I dunno, man. Just throwin' it out there.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQBbHzypBro
(I dunno, man. Just throwin' it out there.)
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Is a consumer better off riding a 1978 steel road bike that's maintainable with simple tools I bought 40 years ago? Is much of the recent "innovation" is a bad bargain for anyone not pushing a competitive racing edge. Eg, Is carbon anything as an anti-feature. ?
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Just got all this:
I’m sure I got suckered into it, but I sure am looking forward to installing it! I did confess to my wife that it won’t make my lardass any faster.
I’m sure I got suckered into it, but I sure am looking forward to installing it! I did confess to my wife that it won’t make my lardass any faster.
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50/34? What, were there no REAL cranksets available?
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Ceramic rotors...I bet they are real heat/fade resistant!
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My argument is a bit different in that I am saying that the cash spent on innovation is being spent towards a goal (UCI races and their riding style) not shared by many if not a majority of amateurs. In order to do this, in order for their to be a difference, there need to be similarities and comparison.
I joined this one, incidentally, particularly because I was interested in and generally agreed with beng1's point of view.
I did start a thread recently to which there were no replies, unfortunately.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-c-1990-a.html
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It still seems to me that I ride like I am in a time trial, or my rides are a form of time trial, against the clock, not drafting, often going as fast as I can (often because I want to get somewhere within a certain time, and often because I am comparing my ride with previous times). Describing my riders as a sort of time trial seems to me a communicative use of the phrase "time trial," but you are trying to insist that I only use that phrase, perhaps only think of that phrase in a different way. You seem to be attempting to police my use of the phrase "time trial".
I did start a thread recently to which there were no replies, unfortunately
I did start a thread recently to which there were no replies, unfortunately
Jeez, can't imagine why. LOL
Where did I force you to refer to what you do as time trial? You used the phrase throughout, and your position is a bad parody of tt. You linked to a petition of the UCI you started. Your posts are obsessed with UCI riders. You obviously don't know anything about how solo riders who want to ride for more than an hour ride, and you have gone into illogical rants insisting that comfort on a bike is some sort of slow poison.
My hope is you get a big dose of no responses here.
I believe you are likely the only person on earth nutty enough to go on a road looking through prisms. Maybe focus more on trying not to kill yourself and less on trying to save whoever it is you delusionally think you're speaking to.
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I can't say I am surprised.
You did not. You seem to prefer to use the word, or abbreviation, tt to refer to UCI time trials and recommend that I do also.
Mainly I agree other than
1) If you believe that "time trial" only refers to UCI trime trial then I understand how you would see my position as a parody but from my point of view, my position is my time trial position, rather than a parody of the UCI time trial position. (That said, currently my position is a parody of that of Jacques Anquetil and Eddie Merckx, and my position used to be a deliberate parody, or partial emulation, of the UCI time trial position when I forward offset my saddle and bars to place them roughly where the bull horns of a time trial bike are. )
2) I don't think I am being illogical. I think that "comfort" in general tends to be a bit of a slow poison, and recommend you cut the comfort. Take up your bike and follow Jacques Cobb.
I wish you success.
Hey, thanks for remembering that. I posted about prisms years ago, I think. I tend to find I get quite a lot of interlocutors here but I am sure you will feel free to ignore me in future.
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You did not. You seem to prefer to use the word, or abbreviation, tt to refer to UCI time trials and recommend that I do also.
You used the phrase throughout, and your position is a bad parody of tt. You linked to a petition of the UCI you started. Your posts are obsessed with UCI riders. You obviously don't know anything about how solo riders who want to ride for more than an hour ride, and you have gone into illogical rants insisting that comfort on a bike is some sort of slow poison.
1) If you believe that "time trial" only refers to UCI trime trial then I understand how you would see my position as a parody but from my point of view, my position is my time trial position, rather than a parody of the UCI time trial position. (That said, currently my position is a parody of that of Jacques Anquetil and Eddie Merckx, and my position used to be a deliberate parody, or partial emulation, of the UCI time trial position when I forward offset my saddle and bars to place them roughly where the bull horns of a time trial bike are. )
2) I don't think I am being illogical. I think that "comfort" in general tends to be a bit of a slow poison, and recommend you cut the comfort. Take up your bike and follow Jacques Cobb.
I wish you success.
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The UCI permits the use of pneumatic tires.
Should we now refer to pneumatic tires as “UCI Tires”?
Because that is basically the logic you are using to label a typical time trial position as “UCI”.
Should we now refer to pneumatic tires as “UCI Tires”?
Because that is basically the logic you are using to label a typical time trial position as “UCI”.
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Yes. Yes.
I think I got so proud of the speed I was going on my forward offset long and low stem funny Frankenbike that I even stopped using the stairs at work. I stopped jogging too. If I get confident in my glutes I will put a Return of Frankenbike together.
Maybe I overdid it. I was not balanced but quite firmly planted on my hands and forearms. I definitely want to do it again.
I think I got so proud of the speed I was going on my forward offset long and low stem funny Frankenbike that I even stopped using the stairs at work. I stopped jogging too. If I get confident in my glutes I will put a Return of Frankenbike together.
Maybe I overdid it. I was not balanced but quite firmly planted on my hands and forearms. I definitely want to do it again.
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Timtak has no grounds for complaining about discussion or comparison to time trials, UCI or not - he's the one that introduced pro time trialing to the conversation, saying that pros rode setups like his when TTing.
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You and a bunch of other guys should try discussing the topic on hand, instead of hijacking threads every day and switching the subject to me??? Maybe you all can find a room in a forum somewhere and start a specific thread on me instead of littering and hijacking this forum and every thread I comment in with negative personal comments??? It is a commentary on the moderation of this forum that they let you guys keep dumping this trash into this forum every day of the week. Personal attacks ARE against the forum rules, commenting on the subject at hand is not, and if a comment does not happen to align with your personal opinions, that is no excuse for YOU or anyone else to begin personal attacks, but that seems to be the norm for at least half the regular population here.
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Is a consumer better off riding a 1978 steel road bike that's maintainable with simple tools I bought 40 years ago? Is much of the recent "innovation" is a bad bargain for anyone not pushing a competitive racing edge. Eg, Is carbon anything as an anti-feature. ?
The true answer is that a typical bicycle consumer is better riding a new bike than a 44 year old steel bike with a 5 speed freewheel and friction shifters. Whether or not the new bike contains carbon has no impact.
Riding position, financial status, fitness level and all the other s#*t that has been posted is not relevant to the topic.
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