Cold weather and exploding tires
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Cold weather and exploding tires
I did an hour plus ride in 20ºF weather today. I have a new bike that I outfitted with 28c Continental Contact tires for commuting. They are rated to 102 psi. I fill them to that limit, roughly. I topped them off when I left home today. I was outside in the cold air when I filled the tires. I brought the bike into my warm office and 15 minutes later the tire blew off the rim with a bang. The tube is totally blown out.
Presumably this occurred because the air warmed and expanded, taking the psi way up beyond the 100 psi I'd put in before leaving. It seems feasible, but is it a known phenomenon?
Presumably this occurred because the air warmed and expanded, taking the psi way up beyond the 100 psi I'd put in before leaving. It seems feasible, but is it a known phenomenon?
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100 psi is way too much for winter commuting. Go with a nice cyclocross tire (depending on your frame, a 30c tire should fit). This will allow you to run lower pressures, so you don't have to worry about tubes warming up and exploding. Plus, it will give you more traction when the snow flies.
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100 psi is way too much for winter commuting. Go with a nice cyclocross tire (depending on your frame, a 30c tire should fit). This will allow you to run lower pressures, so you don't have to worry about tubes warming up and exploding. Plus, it will give you more traction when the snow flies.
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I had that happen once. I was out riding in temps around -10C or so, then brought my bicycle into my apartment, turned the heat up to about 27C because I was chilled, and maybe about half an hour later ....... BOOM!!! I had to peal myself and my cats off the ceiling!!
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pressure*Volume = mu(number of moles of gas)*R(Universal gas constant) *Temperature(in Kelvin)
Assuming the volume stays constant, p/T has to stay constant. So filling the tires at ~266ºK (20ºF) to a pressure of 102psi and then heating the air in the tires to room temperature of maybe 297ºK (75ºF) results in a pressure of 102psi*297/266=114psi.
Since there is always a safety margin, the tires should hold that pressure.
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For what its worth, thinking back to high school physics, if your pressure was at 100psi at 20ºF, it probably got to about 110-120 psi once you got indoors.
pV = nRT...
Edit: Hah... yeah, what the last guy said
pV = nRT...
Edit: Hah... yeah, what the last guy said
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The ideal gas law is:
pressure*Volume = mu(number of moles of gas)*R(Universal gas constant) *Temperature(in Kelvin)
Assuming the volume stays constant, p/T has to stay constant. So filling the tires at ~266ºK (20ºF) to a pressure of 102psi and then heating the air in the tires to room temperature of maybe 297ºK (75ºF) results in a pressure of 102psi*297/266=114psi.
Since there is always a safety margin, the tires should hold that pressure.
pressure*Volume = mu(number of moles of gas)*R(Universal gas constant) *Temperature(in Kelvin)
Assuming the volume stays constant, p/T has to stay constant. So filling the tires at ~266ºK (20ºF) to a pressure of 102psi and then heating the air in the tires to room temperature of maybe 297ºK (75ºF) results in a pressure of 102psi*297/266=114psi.
Since there is always a safety margin, the tires should hold that pressure.
The way I'm reading it, the tires are only rated for less than 85 psi, so he's already over-inflating them. It seems like the extra 12 psi could blow them off.
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I'm glad the office was empty or there probably would have been several calls made to 911.
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The ideal gas law is:
pressure*Volume = mu(number of moles of gas)*R(Universal gas constant) *Temperature(in Kelvin)
Assuming the volume stays constant, p/T has to stay constant. So filling the tires at ~266ºK (20ºF) to a pressure of 102psi and then heating the air in the tires to room temperature of maybe 297ºK (75ºF) results in a pressure of 102psi*297/266=114psi.
Since there is always a safety margin, the tires should hold that pressure.
pressure*Volume = mu(number of moles of gas)*R(Universal gas constant) *Temperature(in Kelvin)
Assuming the volume stays constant, p/T has to stay constant. So filling the tires at ~266ºK (20ºF) to a pressure of 102psi and then heating the air in the tires to room temperature of maybe 297ºK (75ºF) results in a pressure of 102psi*297/266=114psi.
Since there is always a safety margin, the tires should hold that pressure.
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If you could get them OFF with your bare hands, then I would say you have a problem.
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I don't know what the safety margin is. For consumer products the safety margin is often high, maybe it is 50%, but that's just a guess.
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I did an hour plus ride in 20ºF weather today. I have a new bike that I outfitted with 28c Continental Contact tires for commuting. They are rated to 102 psi. I fill them to that limit, roughly. I topped them off when I left home today. I was outside in the cold air when I filled the tires. I brought the bike into my warm office and 15 minutes later the tire blew off the rim with a bang. The tube is totally blown out.
Presumably this occurred because the air warmed and expanded, taking the psi way up beyond the 100 psi I'd put in before leaving. It seems feasible, but is it a known phenomenon?
Presumably this occurred because the air warmed and expanded, taking the psi way up beyond the 100 psi I'd put in before leaving. It seems feasible, but is it a known phenomenon?
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I read somewhere that the "standard" method for determining max psi was to find the psi where the tire blows off and then take half of that. So that would say that the blow-off psi is 204.
Seems like the most likely cause is a bead that wasn't quite in place. Maybe the tires were low at the start, allowing the bead to come out of place, then when pumped up it was just marginally attached, and after bringing it in, the increase in pressure was enough to blow it off.
Seems like the most likely cause is a bead that wasn't quite in place. Maybe the tires were low at the start, allowing the bead to come out of place, then when pumped up it was just marginally attached, and after bringing it in, the increase in pressure was enough to blow it off.