Road V brakes?
05-12-23, 03:01 PM
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Road V brakes?
Hi folks-
Been looking at new frames and am wondering if “V brake compatible” frames are the same as regular calipers. The mounting holes certainly look like regular caliper holes(centered above wheel on seat stay). Is this just a new jargon?
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Been looking at new frames and am wondering if “V brake compatible” frames are the same as regular calipers. The mounting holes certainly look like regular caliper holes(centered above wheel on seat stay). Is this just a new jargon?
Thanks
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V-brakes require posts, just like cantilever brakes. "V-brake compatible" tells me it has post mounts. There may be a center hole above the wheel, but the distance to the rim may or may not be compatible with caliper brakes.
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nope. v-brakes mount below the tire, to posts on the fork tubes and seat stays... each side of the brake has it's own post.
the central hole you refer to is for center pull or side pull brakes only... and/or a cargo rack or fenders.
you CAN buy V-brakes in a "short pull" version, for road bikes.. they will work with standard Road short pull levers and brifters... they are called "Mini-V brakes", typically.... they also require a "v-brake ready" frame.
the central hole you refer to is for center pull or side pull brakes only... and/or a cargo rack or fenders.
you CAN buy V-brakes in a "short pull" version, for road bikes.. they will work with standard Road short pull levers and brifters... they are called "Mini-V brakes", typically.... they also require a "v-brake ready" frame.
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- Side Pulls, single or double pivot, possibly the "regular calipers" noted by the OP. Typical and most common road bike brakes prior to discs. Center bolt mount at apex of fork
- Cantilever Brakes, used on mt. and touring as well as some cross racing bikes, prior to discs. Uses 2 posts mounts on the fork, either side of rim
- V brakes, a type of cantilever, mounts on the side bolts, uses a different cable pull design. Has different cable pull, needs an adapter such as Travel Agent to be used with road bike brake levers, or use a different V brake such as "short pull" as mentioned by maddog (never seen these actually).
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Shimano doesn't do a V-Brake for road usage/short pull. There are some companies making mini linear pull brakes for short pull applications but Shimano does not make their product for that purpose.
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OK...I am curious what you were responding to? If you read my post I said Shimano doesn't make road V-brakes and since they are the only company to make V-brakes but other companies do make mini-linear pull brakes. Paul Component is a great example but I would have linked to their website just so it is easier to make sure you are getting the genuine article. https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/compon...akes/minimoto/
)... there are presently about 75 listings on ebay, none of which are shimano.... but multiple options do exist... from way too much money, to incredibly cheap... interestingly, the Pauls varied by about 30% in price, i linked the less expensive listing.
05-13-23, 03:02 PM
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Thanks all, I am def aware of the difference between the brake types. The description on the frame listings is the true issue. These are carbon offerings from Chinese factories( yes I know) on ebay. Several different sellers show what appears to be caliper mounts described as “v brakes.” I suspect grumpus is correct. Again thanks for your replies all.
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05-13-23, 03:11 PM
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This is a good example
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just showing options for mini-v-brakes... i had 4 links that i tried to post two didn';'t load, then the entire post duplicated... )... there are presently about 75 listings on ebay, none of which are shimano.... but multiple options do exist... from way too much money, to incredibly cheap... interestingly, the Pauls varied by about 30% in price, i linked the less expensive listing.
)... there are presently about 75 listings on ebay, none of which are shimano.... but multiple options do exist... from way too much money, to incredibly cheap... interestingly, the Pauls varied by about 30% in price, i linked the less expensive listing.
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from our friends in the BMX world.. and i'm fairly certain that they borrowed these from the Early MTB Maniacs... https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/img_3589_copy1_lg.jpg
but wouldn't trust that rear mount hole in that CF frame for ANY brakes.
but wouldn't trust that rear mount hole in that CF frame for ANY brakes.
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Center hole:
Posts Above Rim:
Posts Below Rim:
For the pictures above with apparently only a center hole, it is mislabeled. Lost in translation? Probably the person writing the description intends to say that it is NOT disc brakes. Noting, of course, it is not uncommon for frames to have both V-Brake posts and Disc mounts.
Super long reach calipers only lasted a few years for MTBs.
Standard caliper brakes. Can be either center pull or side pull.
Note, of course, that disc brakes are also called calipers.
Note, of course, that disc brakes are also called calipers.
Posts Above Rim:
Direct Mount Calipers (road)
U-Brakes (BMX)
U-Brakes (BMX)
Posts Below Rim:
Canti Brakes (frequently cyclocross, touring, or even road)
V-Brakes (Cheaper MTB, but others as above)
V-Brakes (Cheaper MTB, but others as above)
For the pictures above with apparently only a center hole, it is mislabeled. Lost in translation? Probably the person writing the description intends to say that it is NOT disc brakes. Noting, of course, it is not uncommon for frames to have both V-Brake posts and Disc mounts.
Super long reach calipers only lasted a few years for MTBs.
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We need some pictures.. the above is a direct mount brake
