cocoabeachcrab 

so i'm pondering this one on ebay and have some question for the experts, as my paramount knowledge is lacking... i see the serial number on the frame and H727 would make this a 1967 model? is it normal for the number to be stamped on both rear dropouts? if those are nervex lugs, i thought schwinn used prugnant lugs for that year. also the schwinn and paramount decals look like they are letters on a white background and not the ones used for that year. watcha think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/13444098081...Bk9SR5yV3InHYQ

joesch

Not sure about the serial number on both dropout but I noticed your head badge has a four digit number so this maybe another clue. Starting in 1976 another four digit number is on the head badge itself which is a Julian date with the first three numbers being the number of the day and the last number the year.

Why did Schwinn use a 52/49 chain ring combo especially with the limited rear range?

That auction looks like it maybe a good deal if not bid up too much.

cocoabeachcrab 

the RD fits with the 1967 range. i think that installed campy record version was from 66 to 69 ish. and if this bike was the racing version, 52/49 would be a possibility.

Schweinhund

That sticker set is straight out of 1976
1976 Schwinn Paramount Touring Bike | Classic Cycle Bainbridge Island Kitsap County

merziac

Never seen s/n on both DO's but they do look legit, I have 7 Pmounts and 3 or 4 HB's, none newer than 76 and none have stamping on the HB.

This one has later livery at the very least, plenty anomalies here but may be mostly or somewhat as advertised.

Paging @ Kactus

Pcampeau

Yes, and actually all of the decals on the bike are incorrect for 1967 including the Reynolds **531** decal. This version wasn’t available until late in 1972. I’m gonna guess it was repainted with new decals ( or stickers) sometime in the mid 70s.

The bike looks alright though.

Schreck83 

Agree the headbadge doesn’t fit.
The crankset is 151 BCD, so it and the FD fit with 1967. Love that fork rake….

cocoabeachcrab 

could be a rattle can repaint with cheap decals and even a HB that is not correct... it's got screws and not sure if Schwinn used screws or rivets, and that would be fine, but the lugs and stamping on both dropouts is a mystery. and i wouldn't be surprised if schwinn used nervex lugs for an august frame build. hopefully more experts will chime in on this one!

pastorbobnlnh 

This is the first Paramount with two rear dropout serial numbers that I've ever seen. At least the numbers agree! I wonder if the fork steering tube serial number matches?

I agree the decals are from the late '70s. And the date stamp on Schwinn head badges did not start until the mid '70s. This leads me to surmise it was sent in for a frame re-painting in that time period, and the head badge was replaced at the same time.

pastorbobnlnh 

Screws in the head badge is correct.

Schweinhund

I went out looking for pictures to prove you wrong. And, like that, I proved me wrong.

Good call BTW.

cocoabeachcrab 

if you look at the lettering decals, they are on a white background instead of being stand alone lettering.

merziac

Mine range from 47 to about 74-5, they all have screws for the HB, all men's frames have Nervex, earlier, then later.

cocoabeachcrab 

from kurt's website, "P13's can be found with either Nervex (1959-1966 and 1971-1979) or Prugnat (1967-1970/1) lugs." and also "The P12 - by virtue of lasting into the '67 and '68 model years - can be found with either Nervex (1959-1966) or Prugnat (1967-1968) lugs." so i guess that answers the lug question.
also, have you every seen date stamps on both rear dropouts?

John E

52-49 was indeed the Paramount default for several years.

merziac

Nope, and while I have seen plenty of Prugnat lugged Paramount's, the Nervex's far and away outnumber them. I know what Kurt's site says about it but it doesn't track with my experience.

cocoabeachcrab 

i think i'm going to pass on this bike. my spidey senses are tingling with suspicion. the seller bought this bike (cheap) recently from someone who didn't speak english well so no idea for the bike's back story. he is selling due to the frame size not working for him.

Reynolds 531 

That bike is not a good deal at all.

noobinsf 

I dunno whether the bike is a deal or not, but I think I agree with the notion that it is an old, weathered repaint with likely the only decals/stickers the person could find at the time. From the ebay description, it seems like the seller must have found it as a barn find and cleaned it up for sale. Comparing it to the details of this example 1967 over at CABE, it seems like a legit 1967. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/19...amount.200041/

I don't know enough about Paramount serial numbers to opine on the location of them on this frame, but photo to photo, it looks like the frame details align. If I were bidding, I'd probably feel confident that it's a real Paramount -- but, I'm not bidding, so it's not my money...

cocoabeachcrab 

the RD and 151 BCD 52/49 crankset seem right for a '67, but the only mystery that concerns me is the serial number stamped on both dropouts.... nobody so far has ever seen that on a paramount. i'll revisit on sunday morning when the auction is ending (and super bowl drinking hasn't started yet..) to see where things stand.