74 Paramount P15 with later paint job.
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The main reason I bought this bike, aside from it getting too cheap, was it's ability to take 35s and fenders. I had bought the Soma's for another application but decided these rode nicer than smooth gravel king 35s. I may put the hitch on this bike and try hauling music gear.
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The main reason I bought this bike, aside from it getting too cheap, was it's ability to take 35s and fenders. I had bought the Soma's for another application but decided these rode nicer than smooth gravel king 35s. I may put the hitch on this bike and try hauling music gear.
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I love demeaning great bikes.... But seriously I put a basket on it and rode to my son's place of work to use a freewheel remover. While there I bought nice marmot fleece and put the my coat in the basket. This would be an awesome paper route bike! To think I delivered papers on a western flyer....
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Hell's bells, I didn't notice the front light mount before. Slick!
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I have a coupla-three NOS SA bullet rear lights that I will someday get LED bulbs for and go all hotrod on some bike or the other.
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11-01-23, 03:15 PM
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Last post, I think this is the final iteration of this bike. The rack is made for fork, midmount and fender eyelets mounting and is light but very robust. I could never overload it the way I ride. I decided to use it without midmount because mounted this way it's still way stiffer than a Blackburn front rack. Should handle 25lbs easy, which is how I run the Blackburns.
I also slit the seat forward on the rails a bit. Really feels good! Plus the rack doesn't rattle like the basket did.
I also slit the seat forward on the rails a bit. Really feels good! Plus the rack doesn't rattle like the basket did.
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The bigger diameter black rack tubing suits the frame. Smehow I suspect this isn't really "final" but that could be me projecting, y'know.
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11-01-23, 07:23 PM
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Great find! So glad it's not my size or I'd be super jealous. Love the TA/Huret Duo Par combo.
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It is my understanding that P-15's were considered "touring " frames and thus their geometry was a bit different that others in the line. As pointed out, most P-15's came from the factory set up to ride with 27" inch wheels/rims, but could be special ordered with with optional 700's.....I suspect that the OP's is riding on the 700's which would explain the pad locations.In any event it is a very nice looking repaint with the "upgrade" decals.
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I actually ordered both my '77 and my wife's as P10s, because at the time I couldn't bear the thought of running a Japanese derailleur, even if it did shift better than the Nuovo Record. I've gotten over that foible, and I bought two Campy triples brand new for $25 each (with BB) from a distributor that was clearing out their Campy stock. I should have bought all they had, but money was tight. I used these to convert both bikes to P15s with Huret Duopar Titane rear derailleurs. They shift like butter, even on Regina Oro freewheels.
One factoid on the Campy triples -- the inner ring was never made in any size other than a 36, even though the BCD would have supported a smaller chainring. I always thought that it was one of the ways Campy let non-racers know what they thought of them. How else could anyone explain the Gran Tourismo? The real reason was likely that they were thinking that logical jumps with a wide-range, 5-speed freewheel were 36 - 47 - 52, or something similar, since the middle ring was limited to a 42 minimum (or 41 if you could find it). They likely felt there was never enough demand to justify tooling up for other size rings before the Japanese started selling better cranks for less money.
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The P10 and P15 had the same frame. The angles were parallel 73 degrees, which was the same as the P13 road racer. On P10/P15s, chainstays were longer and it had more fork rake than the P13, the top tube was longer on some sizes, it had top tube cable stops. and the brake clearance was greater, to allow fenders. Tubing, frame components, and paint/chrome options were identical on all three models. Technically, the P10/P15 wasn't available with 700C rims until around 1977, because 700C wasn't a thing in the US before then. However, you could order it with sewups, which was the same thing. When ordered for 700C/sewups, the frame and fork were modified accordingly. I ordered my wife's in 1978 with sewups and Campy sidepulls (normal reach) and clearances look the same as those on a P13.
I actually ordered both my '77 and my wife's as P10s, because at the time I couldn't bear the thought of running a Japanese derailleur, even if it did shift better than the Nuovo Record. I've gotten over that foible, and I bought two Campy triples brand new for $25 each (with BB) from a distributor that was clearing out their Campy stock. I should have bought all they had, but money was tight. I used these to convert both bikes to P15s with Huret Duopar Titane rear derailleurs. They shift like butter, even on Regina Oro freewheels.
One factoid on the Campy triples -- the inner ring was never made in any size other than a 36, even though the BCD would have supported a smaller chainring. I always thought that it was one of the ways Campy let non-racers know what they thought of them. How else could anyone explain the Gran Tourismo? The real reason was likely that they were thinking that logical jumps with a wide-range, 5-speed freewheel were 36 - 47 - 52, or something similar, since the middle ring was limited to a 42 minimum (or 41 if you could find it). They likely felt there was never enough demand to justify tooling up for other size rings before the Japanese started selling better cranks for less money.
I actually ordered both my '77 and my wife's as P10s, because at the time I couldn't bear the thought of running a Japanese derailleur, even if it did shift better than the Nuovo Record. I've gotten over that foible, and I bought two Campy triples brand new for $25 each (with BB) from a distributor that was clearing out their Campy stock. I should have bought all they had, but money was tight. I used these to convert both bikes to P15s with Huret Duopar Titane rear derailleurs. They shift like butter, even on Regina Oro freewheels.
One factoid on the Campy triples -- the inner ring was never made in any size other than a 36, even though the BCD would have supported a smaller chainring. I always thought that it was one of the ways Campy let non-racers know what they thought of them. How else could anyone explain the Gran Tourismo? The real reason was likely that they were thinking that logical jumps with a wide-range, 5-speed freewheel were 36 - 47 - 52, or something similar, since the middle ring was limited to a 42 minimum (or 41 if you could find it). They likely felt there was never enough demand to justify tooling up for other size rings before the Japanese started selling better cranks for less money.
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11-02-23, 03:09 PM
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You could keep your eyes open for a proper Duopar with the Titanium pieces. Less of a heavyweight. The easy way to spot them in sales/auction photos is by the threaded adjustor for the cable housing stop. The steel ECO version doesn't have that.
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If I change I'll just use a suntour. I prefer them anyway.
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Has a hitch tonight to get me to a gig!
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I haven't been on in a while but I had to tell someone about this.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
The crank is very cool and probably collectable but man 36-46-54 ain't my jam. I will say the bike is light and very responsive for a touringish frameset. 700x35 and will accommodate fenders. Of course it came with 27s. Anyway 450$ I just had to spend.
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