How learning works (or doesn't)
02-26-23, 08:16 AM
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My (charitable) hypothesis is that most other sports aren't as seasonal as cycling. Cabin fever in cyclists seems to induce inordinate levels of testosterone.
02-26-23, 08:20 AM
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On Learning...
We all know BF is full of contrasting opinions and debate, which is what makes it interesting and offers opportunities to learn new things and alternative perspectives. There is a huge knowledge base out there that can be tapped into if only we have an open-mind and are prepared to listen as well as talk. But the whole collective learning experience depends on everyone observing a few general guidelines:-
1. If you are not a recognised expert in a particular subject under debate then it's a good idea to do more listening and less arguing/asserting your own opinion as fact.
2. Be brave enough to admit when you are wrong. It's just a forum, so there's no need to be embarrassed or try to dig yourself out. We are all sometimes wrong and that's when we have an opportunity to learn the most.
3. When you are not 100% sure of something you are about to say then either a) say it with the proviso that you are not sure or b) don't say it at all. Never state your opinion as a fact unless you are 100% sure it is actually a fact.
4. Don't continue to argue a point of fact unless you can actually back it up with some factual evidence from a recognised source of expertise.
5. Don't move the goalposts around in an effort "not to be proven wrong" when you are losing an argument. Everyone can see what you did and you lose respect.
6. When evidence is presented in direct opposition to your own opinion, it is a not a good idea to re-quote that same evidence as if it does actually support your own opposing view. Again everyone sees it and you lose respect. If you do have genuine, credible evidence to the contrary then present that instead.
7. Don't be a dick about it.
1. If you are not a recognised expert in a particular subject under debate then it's a good idea to do more listening and less arguing/asserting your own opinion as fact.
2. Be brave enough to admit when you are wrong. It's just a forum, so there's no need to be embarrassed or try to dig yourself out. We are all sometimes wrong and that's when we have an opportunity to learn the most.
3. When you are not 100% sure of something you are about to say then either a) say it with the proviso that you are not sure or b) don't say it at all. Never state your opinion as a fact unless you are 100% sure it is actually a fact.
4. Don't continue to argue a point of fact unless you can actually back it up with some factual evidence from a recognised source of expertise.
5. Don't move the goalposts around in an effort "not to be proven wrong" when you are losing an argument. Everyone can see what you did and you lose respect.
6. When evidence is presented in direct opposition to your own opinion, it is a not a good idea to re-quote that same evidence as if it does actually support your own opposing view. Again everyone sees it and you lose respect. If you do have genuine, credible evidence to the contrary then present that instead.
7. Don't be a dick about it.
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02-26-23, 08:34 AM
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I thought l was wrong about something once. But, then I realized I was wrong.
02-26-23, 08:43 AM
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This seems to be an issue with road cycling forums in general. I belong to a couple of car forums and it is comparatively civil over there. I don't know if it's something about road cyclists or the fact that these cycling forums have a politics subforum where things can get quite heated. I think some of that hostility spills over into the other subforums.
02-26-23, 08:56 AM
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It is easy, just try to avoid any screen names with feral animal names, troul or dickcranium type SNs.
02-26-23, 09:26 AM
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Some guy named Filippo Ganna uses clinchers to go fast. Imagine if he used tubulars.
My 1972 Masi GC has a very nice set of them along with period correct accouterments. The bike is slow and uncomfortable compared to my aerodynamic carbon fibre bike with disk brakes, Firecrest 303 with 32 mm tubeless and a saddle made by a 3D printer out of plastic. I do still like my Brooks B17 with Ti rails.
My 1972 Masi GC has a very nice set of them along with period correct accouterments. The bike is slow and uncomfortable compared to my aerodynamic carbon fibre bike with disk brakes, Firecrest 303 with 32 mm tubeless and a saddle made by a 3D printer out of plastic. I do still like my Brooks B17 with Ti rails.
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02-26-23, 10:10 AM
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I took the initial post as a masked way to insult some posters that didn't agree with the OP in some other threads. By starting the thread however, the OP insulted mostly himself. He doesn't have the ability to look in the mirror and evaluate/change the person looking back at him. Thread should never have been started. As usual, OP just looking for an argument. Nothing but a troll thread.
02-26-23, 11:15 AM
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B.F. Skinner suggested making glasses tall enough that when filled with the desired amount of fluid, the glass was still half-empty, to minimize the chances of spilling.
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02-26-23, 11:17 AM
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02-26-23, 11:20 AM
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02-26-23, 11:33 AM
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The scientist says it depends on the most recent previous state of the glass.
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I took the initial post as a masked way to insult some posters that didn't agree with the OP in some other threads. By starting the thread however, the OP insulted mostly himself. He doesn't have the ability to look in the mirror and evaluate/change the person looking back at him. Thread should never have been started. As usual, OP just looking for an argument. Nothing but a troll thread.
What is the point of your post?
Maybe you need to look in the mirror?
There are a lot of trolls on BF, Pete is not one of them and I disagree with him pretty hard on subjective matters. The relative contribution of wheel MOI isn't really a discussion or something to agree or disagree about.
02-26-23, 12:22 PM
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I'm usually a glass have full kind of person, but you have to consider the source. In this instance, the OP, you, decided he needed to start a post on a bike forum, "schooling, mansplaining," whatever you want to call it, the rest of the forum on ways to act in life. In doing so, you projected, whether you wanted to or not, that you are the annointed superior being of knowledge and it's your calling in life to gift your wisdom on the rest of civilization whether they want it or not. I'll admit, I got a big laugh out of it because it's so ridiculous. I guess you got bored because most of the other hotly debated threads had cooled off. You did make me laugh, I'll give you that.
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02-26-23, 12:25 PM
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That is certainly one of the many possible explanations.
02-26-23, 12:27 PM
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Science at some point isn't a popularity poll.
What is the point of your post?
Maybe you need to look in the mirror?
There are a lot of trolls on BF, Pete is not one of them and I disagree with him pretty hard on subjective matters. The relative contribution of wheel MOI isn't really a discussion or something to agree or disagree about.
What is the point of your post?
Maybe you need to look in the mirror?
There are a lot of trolls on BF, Pete is not one of them and I disagree with him pretty hard on subjective matters. The relative contribution of wheel MOI isn't really a discussion or something to agree or disagree about.
02-26-23, 12:38 PM
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It might ... but again, maybe it says different things to different people.
On a slightly different note: Not sure how you do things ... but for me BF is part of my life .. . I am alive, right now, typing this, and if you respond and I read that ... that will also be part of my life.
On a slightly different note: Not sure how you do things ... but for me BF is part of my life .. . I am alive, right now, typing this, and if you respond and I read that ... that will also be part of my life.
02-26-23, 12:48 PM
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Looking at some of these discussions more or less from the outside there seems to have been two distinct cliques. There's the science folks who look at issues objectively and provide calculations. Then there's the 'feel' folks who.. don't...
disconnecting from earlier beliefs is difficult, but if the math is provided, I don't see how people can so staunchly hold on to their opinions. Or perhaps it's because the math has not been understood? But if I can understand simple stuff like provided in the wheel thread, most people should be able to. I suck at math. Objectively.
And then there's the pony who doesn't contribute and just spews disctracting pseudo babble chocking out every thread it patricipates in. Truly a force of negativity.
disconnecting from earlier beliefs is difficult, but if the math is provided, I don't see how people can so staunchly hold on to their opinions. Or perhaps it's because the math has not been understood? But if I can understand simple stuff like provided in the wheel thread, most people should be able to. I suck at math. Objectively.
And then there's the pony who doesn't contribute and just spews disctracting pseudo babble chocking out every thread it patricipates in. Truly a force of negativity.
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The other issue is personal preferences for bikes, riding style, components, clothing etc etc etc...People are branded as trolls and wrong for having a different preference because that particular preference isn't very popular amongst the majority.
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