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12-12-16, 04:46 PM
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12-12-16, 05:32 PM
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Well, the bike will be slow because the engine is slow. Or maybe it calls for a 650B wheel with an electric-assist rear hub?
12-12-16, 06:29 PM
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No, if it's lacking anything, it'll be snazzy decals. And that would be sad.
but eh, whatever.
12-12-16, 07:21 PM
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12-13-16, 12:04 AM
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May I suggest 650cc?
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12-21-16, 05:56 PM
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My gugiefied '71 Raleigh International found its way to my door this afternoon. A few unveiling pics:
Box1
Closely guarded by a Papillon:
Box2
That man sure knows how to pack a bike frame!
Box3
The color revealed; I'm very pleased with how it turned out:
Box4
Box5
I'm in the process of building it up now, so hopefully some in-progress or complete project pics soon.
Box1 Closely guarded by a Papillon:
Box2That man sure knows how to pack a bike frame!
Box3 The color revealed; I'm very pleased with how it turned out:
Box4 Box5 I'm in the process of building it up now, so hopefully some in-progress or complete project pics soon.
12-21-16, 06:09 PM
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Having been around flat tables & fork jigs back when getting an elegant re-rake of the fork to low trail for your project is a sign of true craftsmanship.
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12-21-16, 10:05 PM
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12-22-16, 09:34 AM
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Very nice. Looking forward to the build. 
12-23-16, 05:03 PM
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Okay, here's the current status of the the gugie-fied Int'l: Build is largely complete; I still need to hook up the rear lamp, but that's about it other than to think about a few more decals. Build includes 10-speed Shimano 105/5700 mechs and brifters, Sun XCD crankset, Shimano A530 pedals, Velocity A23 rims with rear Dura Ace 7403 and a front S-P dynohub, Soma Grand Randoneur 42 x 650B EL tires, Velo-Orange Zeppelin fenders, MAFAC Raid brakes, American Classic seat post, Brooks B17 in green w/ Ti rails, Nitto Technomic stem, Nitto Rando bars, Brooks green leather bar tape, custom @gugie front rack and B&M IQ Cyo lamp. Shown with an Acorn boxy rando bag though I have a Swift front bag currently being borrowed by a friend that'll likely be the primary one I'll use on this bike.
After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361
IMG_7706
IMG_0541
IMG_5863
IMG_4364
Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688
IMG_0302
After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361 IMG_7706 IMG_0541 IMG_5863 IMG_4364 Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688 IMG_0302
12-23-16, 06:56 PM
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1. I did not hook up a ground from the fork to the frame as we discussed. My latest thinking is it probably won't need one - I did a test with one of my lights, looks like the ground through the headset is good. If you feel you need one, you can loosen up the "through bolt" and use a spade lug under it, ground to any part of the fork or front rack per the "usual method".
2. I recommend only cycling east in your neck of the woods. It's easier, the saddle doesn't budge, but then there's the call of shame at the end of the ride. I hear either Uber or Lyft will keep it "your little secret".
Good choice on the choice of Raleigh logos.
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12-23-16, 07:35 PM
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Absolutely stunning! Great to see a plan come together when great minds think alike, you and gugie have done an excellent job.
Okay, here's the current status of the the gugie-fied Int'l: Build is largely complete; I still need to hook up the rear lamp, but that's about it other than to think about a few more decals. Build includes 10-speed Shimano 105/5700 mechs and brifters, Sun XCD crankset, Shimano A530 pedals, Velocity A23 rims with rear Dura Ace 7403 and a front S-P dynohub, Soma Grand Randoneur 42 x 650B EL tires, Velo-Orange Zeppelin fenders, MAFAC Raid brakes, American Classic seat post, Brooks B17 in green w/ Ti rails, Nitto Technomic stem, Nitto Rando bars, Brooks green leather bar tape, custom @gugie front rack and B&M IQ Cyo lamp. Shown with an Acorn boxy rando bag though I have a Swift front bag currently being borrowed by a friend that'll likely be the primary one I'll use on this bike.
After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361
IMG_7706
IMG_0541
IMG_5863
IMG_4364
Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688
IMG_0302
After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361 IMG_7706 IMG_0541 IMG_5863 IMG_4364 Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688 IMG_0302
12-23-16, 07:42 PM
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Nice job! I love the creative functionality.
12-23-16, 07:49 PM
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After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361
IMG_7706
IMG_0541
IMG_5863
IMG_4364
Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688
IMG_0302
After a flurry of work-related activity, I was able to get out for a good shakedown ride. On the way west, I had a strong wind in my face, my saddle clamp loosened (I wondered why the bars seemed to get farther and farther away), and I was trying to get the feel for this new rig. On the way east, the wind was behind me, my saddle didn't slip, and the ride felt stable and smooth. I did feel like the tires need some breaking in (they created a fairly strong buzzing sensation). Some pics:
IMG_9361
IMG_7706
IMG_0541
IMG_5863
IMG_4364
Along the Charles River:
IMG_5688
IMG_0302
I'm a big fan of the American Classic seatpost, and if I'm reading your post correctly, the saddle clamp on the seatpost became loose?
If so, then perhaps it will help when I say that this isn't/wasn't an unusual thing. The little pointed set screw that sets the saddle tilt tends to create a little divot in the upper plate as the bike is ridden, which reduces the tightness with which the clamp grabs the saddle rails.
This is usually something that only has to be addressed once or twice, but I know of a handful of people who've sworn off (and sworn at) the American Classic post for this reason.
American Classic hasn't made this model of seatpost since around 2008 or so.... is yours NOS or previously used?
Anyway... don't give up on the seatpost, and congrats on getting the bike together and on the road!
Steve in Peoria
(with American Classic posts on three bikes)
12-23-16, 07:53 PM
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Looking good! Two comments:
1. I did not hook up a ground from the fork to the frame as we discussed. My latest thinking is it probably won't need one - I did a test with one of my lights, looks like the ground through the headset is good. If you feel you need one, you can loosen up the "through bolt" and use a spade lug under it, ground to any part of the fork or front rack per the "usual method".
2. I recommend only cycling east in your neck of the woods. It's easier, the saddle doesn't budge, but then there's the call of shame at the end of the ride. I hear either Uber or Lyft will keep it "your little secret".
Good choice on the choice of Raleigh logos.
1. I did not hook up a ground from the fork to the frame as we discussed. My latest thinking is it probably won't need one - I did a test with one of my lights, looks like the ground through the headset is good. If you feel you need one, you can loosen up the "through bolt" and use a spade lug under it, ground to any part of the fork or front rack per the "usual method".
2. I recommend only cycling east in your neck of the woods. It's easier, the saddle doesn't budge, but then there's the call of shame at the end of the ride. I hear either Uber or Lyft will keep it "your little secret".
Good choice on the choice of Raleigh logos.
On 1: I did run an external wire from the rear lamp's "hot" terminal to the wire you conveniently left sticking out at the BB, and it did work fine. So I'm assuming I don't need to use the ground for that lamp?
On 2: If I head a bit more than 5 miles east, I end up in Boston Harbor, and I don't think an Uber will fish me out of the drink at that point.
12-23-16, 07:55 PM
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I'm a big fan of the American Classic seatpost, and if I'm reading your post correctly, the saddle clamp on the seatpost became loose?
If so, then perhaps it will help when I say that this isn't/wasn't an unusual thing. The little pointed set screw that sets the saddle tilt tends to create a little divot in the upper plate as the bike is ridden, which reduces the tightness with which the clamp grabs the saddle rails.
This is usually something that only has to be addressed once or twice, but I know of a handful of people who've sworn off (and sworn at) the American Classic post for this reason.
American Classic hasn't made this model of seatpost since around 2008 or so.... is yours NOS or previously used?
Anyway... don't give up on the seatpost, and congrats on getting the bike together and on the road!
Steve in Peoria
(with American Classic posts on three bikes)
If so, then perhaps it will help when I say that this isn't/wasn't an unusual thing. The little pointed set screw that sets the saddle tilt tends to create a little divot in the upper plate as the bike is ridden, which reduces the tightness with which the clamp grabs the saddle rails.
This is usually something that only has to be addressed once or twice, but I know of a handful of people who've sworn off (and sworn at) the American Classic post for this reason.
American Classic hasn't made this model of seatpost since around 2008 or so.... is yours NOS or previously used?
Anyway... don't give up on the seatpost, and congrats on getting the bike together and on the road!
Steve in Peoria
(with American Classic posts on three bikes)
12-23-16, 08:25 PM
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Hey, a guy can only handle so much paradise. Just got back from snorkeling with my girls, and my lilly white PDX skin needs a break from all of this sun.
And to the point, Fire Rock Pale Ale.
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12-23-16, 09:23 PM
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My suggestion is to shorten the rear brake straddle wire, will improve power and will get the cable yoke out of the line of sight of the seat tube mounted tail lamp.
12-23-16, 10:10 PM
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I thought about that, but actually find that the rear has more power than the front with its longer straddle cable. Still, I'd rather not block that lamp.
12-23-16, 10:40 PM
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Beautiful job gugie and Neal. I think that color is popular now. Should be getting this frame/fork in a couple weeks. I do like the looks of that XCD crankset, but I need to see if they make a single with similar styling.
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12-23-16, 11:31 PM
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Forgot to mention, if it ain't broke...
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12-24-16, 11:06 AM
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Absolutely beautiful!!! IMHO that is one of the finest 650b conversions yet!!! Well done Neal and Mark 
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12-24-16, 11:31 AM
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I've got the same year Internat'l hanging in the alcove in the connector between our house and barn. I picked it up used from the original owner in '77 when he needed cash to head out West. It was a replacement for my first Reynolds frame, a 72 Gitane TdF that had gotten stolen from the basement of the house I was in in Amherst. The Internat'l got sidelined after a succession of Itie frames came my way from my brother but I'd used it for everything from century rides, club rides, racing and touring.
The Itie frames got sidelined as well as my interest in racing waned and I spent more time touring and commuting on a repurposed Bridgestone MB-1. When a mysterious $2K showed up on a Mass. unclaimed money list attached to my name my wife said spend it on a new bike (I'd been lamenting the lack of a nice new ride). As I plumbed the depths of my consciousness for the perfect machine my mind drifted back to the Raleigh. I really like touring long distances but in the time between tours the thought of lightly loaded long rides was very appealing. What better way to do that then to get the Raleigh converted to a low-trail, 650b randonneur.
I discussed it with a friend who pointed out all of the obstacles. He was most familiar with Stephen Bilenky's conversion prices. Totaling up all of the things I thought needed to happen I realized the $2K would disappear pretty quickly. Soma was offering a discount mid-winter last year and I decided to go with a Grand Randonneur frame. It has since been built up with a VO crank and other new and old parts (the brake levers from the Internat'l among other things.) I really like the Soma and haven't regretted the decision to go with steel, randonneuring geometry for the new bike I wanted.
Seeing this conversion though has made me regret only one thing. If this had been a year earlier, these pictures would have convinced me to go with my first idea.
The Itie frames got sidelined as well as my interest in racing waned and I spent more time touring and commuting on a repurposed Bridgestone MB-1. When a mysterious $2K showed up on a Mass. unclaimed money list attached to my name my wife said spend it on a new bike (I'd been lamenting the lack of a nice new ride). As I plumbed the depths of my consciousness for the perfect machine my mind drifted back to the Raleigh. I really like touring long distances but in the time between tours the thought of lightly loaded long rides was very appealing. What better way to do that then to get the Raleigh converted to a low-trail, 650b randonneur.
I discussed it with a friend who pointed out all of the obstacles. He was most familiar with Stephen Bilenky's conversion prices. Totaling up all of the things I thought needed to happen I realized the $2K would disappear pretty quickly. Soma was offering a discount mid-winter last year and I decided to go with a Grand Randonneur frame. It has since been built up with a VO crank and other new and old parts (the brake levers from the Internat'l among other things.) I really like the Soma and haven't regretted the decision to go with steel, randonneuring geometry for the new bike I wanted.
Seeing this conversion though has made me regret only one thing. If this had been a year earlier, these pictures would have convinced me to go with my first idea.
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