Siu Blue Wind

I totally agree with you.

Let me know when I cyclist is killed by bags of granola and I'll do what what I can in my power to make sure the author knows that this is not funny.

SurferRosa

So the super funny cartoonist needs to be more literal for you to connect two dots between joking (wink, wink) about "eliminating all cyclists" to his millions of car driving readers and the thousand dead cyclists each year.

Thank you for the clarification.

StanSeven

SurferRosa, please leave this thread. You obviously don’t share the perspective of most members in this thread which is humorous and fun. You don’t like it so don’t contribute.

squirtdad

glad i had just finished the last of my tea or it would be on my monitor. you have to check out general cycling to get this

squirtdad

I think it really depends on your sense of humor and viewpoint and maybe whether you had coffee or not

and remembering no one is perfect (sitll miss Calvin)

I like Pearls Before Swine, despite picking on Jef. Bad puns and play on worrds can't resist. Author pics on himself more than anyone else Have to admit to laughing and groaning at some of the puns at the same time

Loose Parts if growing on me fast

Yehuda moon picked of the foibles of cycling https://www.instagram.com/yehudamoon/

smd4

I think the point is most comics aren’t laugh out loud funny. They’re an enjoyable diversion. Zits has been pretty spot-on when it comes to raising teenage boys. Pearls’ recent puns are approaching epic.

Calvin and Hobbes was almost fine art.

People expecting any kind of hilarity in comics, including Pearls, are either expecting too much, or can’t appreciate them for what they are.

Never saw yehuda moon. Very cool.

Atlas Shrugged

This is not about having a sense of humor but rather appears to be more of a trolling effort from Classic & Vintage riders, disparaging those who don’t share the same enthusiasm for riding older bikes. The choice to post it in the C & V sub-forum suggests a deliberate attempt to belittle those with different preferences, rather than fostering a constructive discussion whether the Comic is appropriate or funny. This line from post #14 explains it all.

“Yep, I get it but we ride C+V, they don't.”

What is with this bizarre we and them mindset in the C&V community. Most of us just like riding bikes and prefer that it happens safely.

smd4

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse misconception (perhaps “mischaracterization” is more accurate) than this on any forum I’ve ever participated in. It doesn’t just border on the absurd; it crosses well into it.

EDIT: I must admit, I'm also a bit taken aback by the sense of insecurity exhibited here, a sort of, "You C&V guys are always picking on us" vibe. Not sure how a cartoon making fun of a generic cyclist (we don't know what Jef rides), elicited such a feeling, but it is strange, nonetheless.

Trakhak

I agree, and it is bizarre. The title of this thread ("Thank god we aren't the full lycra wearing fools") puts it out there for all to see.

I recommend spending time in the Clydesdale and Athena forum when the nastiness in C&V threatens to get out of hand, as in this thread. I once had an exchange with the late Tom Stormcrowe on the subject, asking why the posters in the Clydesdale and Athena forum are so genuinely welcoming and friendly compared to some of the other forums. He said big people grow up being treated like freaks every day of their lives and thus have a preference for avoiding confrontation and a tendency to be mutually supportive. Whatever the reason for the contrast, I enjoy reading posts there.

AirborneFolder

LOL. You think that people read a comic strip and then go out and deliberately endanger cyclists - because a comic strip wink wink nudge nudged said it's ok.

Steel Charlie

Those guys are brutal ! !

If they started on lycra this place would be a blood bath

Atlas Shrugged

In a previous comment within this thread, I expressed my concern about the overwhelming dominance of C&V (Classic & Vintage) enthusiasts across the entire Bike Forum. Despite playing a relatively minor role in the sport, it seems that more money is spent and more miles are ridden by rental bikes on a long weekend in San Francisco than by the entire C&V community in North America throughout the year.

No topic or subforum remains untouched; discussions are regularly derailed. For instance, if you post a question about the best cycling GPS in the Touring section, it inevitably devolves into someone insisting that paper maps are the best, recounting an experience from 1975 after graduating high school. This pattern repeats across various topics and subforums. Consider all the third-rail subjects we have endured as the sport has moved on: carbon anything, tubeless, electronic shifting, disc brakes, bike computers, wide tires, low spoke count wheels, lycra, gravel bikes, triple chainrings, clipless pedals and it goes on.

Moreover, any critique within the C&V subforum is met with swift responses claiming it as a "safe space" for enthusiasts, urging critics to either conform or leave. This thread was explicitly initiated with an "us vs them" narrative, attracting the usual participants (myself included).

smd4

Of course it wasn't. It was initiated as a "let's poke a little fun at ourselves, and not take ourselves too seriously" thread. That didn't work out, because the various Jefs among us got butt-hurt about our portrayal in national media. That it devolved into some perverse murder-threatening, granola-hurling Nazi propaganda thread is beyond ridiculous.

Steel Charlie

Safe place ? ? Here ?

OK ---- conformity is mostly enforced but hijacking is really prevalent. You want real conformity? Over at the paceline if you don't speak the mods opinions you get banned.

And I'd best let it go at that. ​​​​

Atlas Shrugged

Really? Who are these lycra-wearing fools the OP is referring to?

"Thank god we aren't the full lycra kit wearing fools."

Robvolz 

^^^^^^ ME ^^^^^^^

I met the man at Powells. I thought his back story was interesting. This is all my fault.

Feel free to not buy me a beer at the next outing we all get together.


PS: I bought his book. Those crocs are idiots.

PPS: I did ask the administrators to remove this thread pages ago (like page 2).

PPPS: Has anybody seen my cape?

Steel Charlie

Rob ---

I think you did just fine. The thread has been a revelation ! I award you the C&V Community Service Gold Star ! !

Trakhak

As I said upthread, I've ridden high-end C&V bikes since the mid-1960's. I bought all of them new, though. From the '60's to the '90's, I don't remember even a hint of the us-versus-them C&V mentality (as expressed so naively bluntly in this thread's title) until Grant Petersen bought his first load of the non-index rear derailleurs that were being dumped on the market (for a dollar each, I believe he boasted) and then had to figure out how to sell them.

So he decided to talk up the simplicity and reliability of friction shifting, as well as its character-building aspect, versus, in his words, "point-and-click" shifting. Then, having managed to move some product by way of his folksy rhetoric---the man undeniably has the gift-o'-the-gab---he bought up a bunch of other non-current stuff and ratcheted up the spieling.

To his credit, he mostly refrained from disparaging the riders who used the then-current state-of-the-art equipment, instead bemoaning the unfortunate, exclusively racing-oriented direction the manufacturers were pursuing. (Those same manufacturers were selling plenty of hybrid bikes by that time, which were essentially an updated version of the "sensible" bikes he said were gone from the market, but that didn't fit the narrative, so it was ignored.)

Grant, as I say, didn't say anything against the riders who liked their modern racing bikes, but the subtlety of the distinction between the bikes and the people who rode them was lost on the C&V guys he'd managed to rile up. Result: some C&V'ers came to see themselves as beleaguered survivalists, surrounded by mindless drones bent on destroying all they hold dear.

The irony, of course, is that most C&V riders wear plenty of Lycra, including, e.g., TOSRV and other event jerseys, and ride modern bikes in addition to their "forever" and "grail" bikes. And bless their hearts. I guess the us/them dichotomy might actually be re-enactors versus cosplayers.

smd4

So you think he was referring to you? Or non-C&V riders in general? My wife, who really doesn't ride much, maybe, and when she does ride, it's a mountain bike? How about me? How many vague thread titles do you think are referencing you and "your people?" That paranoia can be treated, you know. How do you explain us C&V people who DO wear full lycra kit? And somehow aren't offended by this?

steelbikeguy

I haven't seen the crocs in a long time. Are they gone or just hatching a new plan to eat Zebra? They were a hoot.

Steve in Peoria

USAZorro

I'm a C&Ver and I wear lycra.

Was I offended by this thread? No.

Do I venture into other forums and derail threads? Also no.

Do I have an inkling of why there are more C&Vers than folks in most of the other forums? I didn't until this thread.

There's a P&R forum if you simply must be argumentative.

unterhausen

Stephan Pastis is missing a bet if he doesn't start selling Jef's "pyramid of humanity" chart on a jersey.




"It's okay, my people expect very little of you."

squirtdad

and just to note....for those of us who find wool is too itchy and riding in tweed daily is impractical here is a C&V guy in lycra (which I bet most C&V people do ride in)

Trakhak

out, demon, out!!!

cranky old road 

Eleven pages! OMG! Now THAT'S funny!