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02-15-24, 11:00 AM
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It is to laugh. A moped is whatever your local jurisdiction says is a moped. Here, they're regulated by state DMV, must be registered (meaning they have a VIN) and licensed, and display a license plate. The license is a one-time fee, i.e., no annual renewals. The rider must be at least 16, must wear a helmet and must possess an M1 or M2 license.
Gas mopeds must have pedals, e-mopeds can have them or not.
The end.
A Class 2 ebike, also per DMV, has a throttle and cannot exceed 20mph on the flats. It is most assuredly a "bicycle" and of course sports pedals so one can limp home after the battery croaks or, if a rideshare bike, dumped in the nearest gutter. <16 riders have a helmet requirement, true of any bicycle powered or not.
The end part deux.
One suspects the rules and guidelines vary in various places on the planet, as befits a forum with international participation. And there's where we can learn from one another.
Gas mopeds must have pedals, e-mopeds can have them or not.
The end.
A Class 2 ebike, also per DMV, has a throttle and cannot exceed 20mph on the flats. It is most assuredly a "bicycle" and of course sports pedals so one can limp home after the battery croaks or, if a rideshare bike, dumped in the nearest gutter. <16 riders have a helmet requirement, true of any bicycle powered or not.
The end part deux.
One suspects the rules and guidelines vary in various places on the planet, as befits a forum with international participation. And there's where we can learn from one another.
02-15-24, 03:34 PM
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My viewpoint isn't something you need to care about.
I've no need to disclose my opinion to you or anyone.
Like I said in my previous post: opinions are like a-holes,
everyone's got one and all of them stink.
Opinions are not valid when you can't provide sources to support your opinion.
You can say the sky is red and water is dry in your opinion all day long,
but that doesn't make a valid opinion.
Maybe if you provide a link in English so most of the readers can understand?
When was the term moped coined?
Did Harald Nielsen know about the distinction between ebike vs e-moped when he coined the term?
Discussion is about ebike vs e-moped, not moped in general.
Maybe if you understand the discussion instead of worrying about my opinion,
you could have better discussion related posts instead of your opinion?
You've stated:
Based on what?
Can you provide a source or evidence to support that opinion?
I've no need to disclose my opinion to you or anyone.
Like I said in my previous post: opinions are like a-holes,
everyone's got one and all of them stink.
Opinions are not valid when you can't provide sources to support your opinion.
You can say the sky is red and water is dry in your opinion all day long,
but that doesn't make a valid opinion.
Maybe if you provide a link in English so most of the readers can understand?
When was the term moped coined?
Did Harald Nielsen know about the distinction between ebike vs e-moped when he coined the term?
Discussion is about ebike vs e-moped, not moped in general.
Maybe if you understand the discussion instead of worrying about my opinion,
you could have better discussion related posts instead of your opinion?
You've stated:
Based on what?
Can you provide a source or evidence to support that opinion?
The term moped was coined in 1952 which you could have easily searched and found with little to no effort. I know it is easier to just post Electrek links though the I have no opinions they all smell blah blah blah seems to take you a bit more time but that is your brand I guess. "I am a cold unfeeling robot with no feelings, emotions or opinions I am here only to serve the purpose of my creator, please insert new disc"
An e-bike is a bicycle with an electric assist, a moped is a vehicle that has pedals and a throttle. Not a hard concept for most.
02-16-24, 07:29 AM
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but you can't expect others to have to agree with your opinion or respond to your demand for their opinion.
The term moped was coined in 1952 which you could have easily searched and found with little to no effort. I know it is easier to just post Electrek links though the I have no opinions they all smell blah blah blah seems to take you a bit more time but that is your brand I guess. "I am a cold unfeeling robot with no feelings, emotions or opinions I am here only to serve the purpose of my creator, please insert new disc"
Clearly you're obsessed with refuting my posts like a troll.
Moped has engines, e-mopeds have motors, know the difference.
Ebike and e-mopeds both have throttles, just at different location on the bike.
Classification of ebikes are clearly stated in the links I provided, you can read them and troll elsewhere.
02-16-24, 09:18 AM
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Why bother indeed, you're free to express your opinion,
but you can't expect others to have to agree with your opinion or respond to your demand for their opinion.
Right, so easy to find that you can't even supply a link to support your own claim.
Clearly you're obsessed with refuting my posts like a troll.
You have to have a motor in order to have electric assist, whether throttle is at your wrist or at your cranks, they are both throttled.
Moped has engines, e-mopeds have motors, know the difference.
Ebike and e-mopeds both have throttles, just at different location on the bike.
Classification of ebikes are clearly stated in the links I provided, you can read them and troll elsewhere.
but you can't expect others to have to agree with your opinion or respond to your demand for their opinion.
Right, so easy to find that you can't even supply a link to support your own claim.
Clearly you're obsessed with refuting my posts like a troll.
You have to have a motor in order to have electric assist, whether throttle is at your wrist or at your cranks, they are both throttled.
Moped has engines, e-mopeds have motors, know the difference.
Ebike and e-mopeds both have throttles, just at different location on the bike.
Classification of ebikes are clearly stated in the links I provided, you can read them and troll elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped#...0and%20pedaler.
A pedal assist is a throttle? Hahaha. A good hot take at least it is a good opinion for once.
I love how you are calling me the troll it is hilarious but it is either another Electrek link or calling someone a troll because you refuse to discuss or talk about anything else except a denial you haven't said something that you said. You claim to have no opinions and no interest in sharing opinions on an online forum where we post opinions daily as part of being on this forum. If you are just a news aggregator then maybe ask people on your website to subscribe and you can send them a newsletter with all of your articles which are your opinions (or whomever you are working for or promoting heavily or whatever your situation is) I know you are going to deny something new (or really just something old) anyway and can already predict your response.
You don't need to hide either be yourself which hopefully isn't an emotionless drone who is just here to post articles and deny everything else. If you really don't enjoy it or are just a news aggregator then start a newsletter someone can sign up to and that way you can post all the B.S. you can fit onto the page and not have to deal with any discussion which hurts you in the end.
02-16-24, 04:13 PM
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This thread started out with humor in the first post. Then it went downhill with arguing bordering on trolling. Enough. Thread closed..
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