How Many Times Have You Felt Like Doing This to a Car?
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I suspect that this group didn't pick this couple and their vehicle at random, and I feel that the driver struck a nerve within the group of riders. I don't condone the type of action the riders carried out, but a number of motorists' actions finally made me invest in a decent video camera system.
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I live in NYC and have worked alot in the neighborhoods where these kids live. They are generally youth with no guidance whatsoever in life who like to do wheelies and get in people's faces just to get a reaction. If they weren't on bikes, they'd try to start **** with whatever they have. A faked basketball throw to your face is a favorite; fake sucker punches, whatever. They are sucky people and have nothing to lose, and like to bait people who have everything to lose by fighting a gaggle of underage boys.
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I do admit that I do get fanciful with thinking about such things. And I do imagine that this is just a group of individuals behaving badly.
However I will consider it bad practice if the authorities did not consider if there was not some larger thing involved based on evidence and any histories of the parties involved. I'm not making an accusation I just saying that every incident needs to be tested to see if it there is merit for other reasons that might need investigating.
However I will consider it bad practice if the authorities did not consider if there was not some larger thing involved based on evidence and any histories of the parties involved. I'm not making an accusation I just saying that every incident needs to be tested to see if it there is merit for other reasons that might need investigating.
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I don't think that's a thing. Normally it's the drug users themselves stealing stuff to either fence or pawn in order to get drug money. It doesn't make sense for a drug dealer to have someone steal bikes to give to the druggies to sell in order to buy more drugs. If they were into theft as well as drug dealing, they'd just sell the bikes themselves and keep that money while also getting money from the drug users.
But of course there are a certain number of users stealing stuff themselves. But not as many as our war on drugs that has not had any effect on the number of people using drugs will lead you to believe. I'd be willing to bet that most in jail for drug use were using their own money and their only crime was buying illegal drugs.
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However I will consider it bad practice if the authorities did not consider if there was not some larger thing involved based on evidence and any histories of the parties involved. I'm not making an accusation I just saying that every incident needs to be tested to see if it there is merit for other reasons that might need investigating.
And, no, every nutty idea does not need to be investigated.
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I is my understanding that stolen bikes is a big organized business in large cities. Stolen bikes are traded by the truckload by certain persons. How organized is it? I don't know. But when a truckload of anything is involved, I wouldn't imagine just a simple one person.
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I is my understanding that stolen bikes is a big organized business in large cities. Stolen bikes are traded by the truckload by certain persons. How organized is it? I don't know. But when a truckload of anything is involved, I wouldn't imagine just a simple one person.
Were stolen bikes even involved it this incident?
And information about these "bike cartels" beyond your "understanding"?
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I don't see it as a retreat at all. What I stated initially was not an accusation of them or something I believed they were. It was just one of many many things that swirl around in my mind when I see something.
I only put that up for conversation. If instead I'm supposed to just say how emotionally distraught I am, well I can't do that. I'm one of those that keeps emotions bottled up too much.
I only put that up for conversation. If instead I'm supposed to just say how emotionally distraught I am, well I can't do that. I'm one of those that keeps emotions bottled up too much.
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So, it's not something you understand. That's another retreat.
This is a false dilemma.
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I suspect that this group didn't pick this couple and their vehicle at random, and I feel that the driver struck a nerve within the group of riders. I don't condone the type of action the riders carried out, but a number of motorists' actions finally made me invest in a decent video camera system.
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I is my understanding that stolen bikes is a big organized business in large cities. Stolen bikes are traded by the truckload by certain persons. How organized is it? I don't know. But when a truckload of anything is involved, I wouldn't imagine just a simple one person.
There was a shop on the Big Island of Hawaii, that rented bikes to tourist (mostly Japanese tourest). He had duplicate keys for the locks he gave them which some of his buddies used to steal the bikes and bring them back to the shop so the owner could charge the tourist the full price of a new bike.
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In the late 1960s early 1970s, there were groups that would steal bikes off of Colorado University campas, take them to Denver University to sell them. And as part of the return trip they would steal bikes off of Denver University campas, take them to Colorado University to sell them.
There was a shop on the Big Island of Hawaii, that rented bikes to tourist (mostly Japanese tourest). He had duplicate keys for the locks he gave them which some of his buddies used to steal the bikes and bring them back to the shop so the owner could charge the tourist the full price of a new bike.
There was a shop on the Big Island of Hawaii, that rented bikes to tourist (mostly Japanese tourest). He had duplicate keys for the locks he gave them which some of his buddies used to steal the bikes and bring them back to the shop so the owner could charge the tourist the full price of a new bike.
I've been under the assumption that bike theft in really big cities is an organized thing. You want to sell drugs, but a lot of your users run out of money quick. So you have others go out and steal bikes then give the bikes to your users to sell so they can get more money for more drugs which is your main business. Similar to laundering money. It removes you from the crime since it's the user that'll get caught selling the bike and they won't tell that they were doing it to get more money for drugs.
Maybe not. But hoping a reason or cause is found.
Maybe not. But hoping a reason or cause is found.
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I have no idea on the specific reason, but the cab driver, or his vehicle, seems to have struck a nerve within the group of riders as well. I still do not condone the actions by the group of riders.
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How Many Times Have You Felt Like Doing This to a Car?
And for certain we aren't going to get enough information about this to make any other observation than these people are behaving badly and should not do that. So staying on topic ends pretty quickly in my opinion.
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I live in NYC and have worked alot in the neighborhoods where these kids live. They are generally youth with no guidance whatsoever in life who like to do wheelies and get in people's faces just to get a reaction. If they weren't on bikes, they'd try to start **** with whatever they have. A faked basketball throw to your face is a favorite; fake sucker punches, whatever. They are sucky people and have nothing to lose, and like to bait people who have everything to lose by fighting a gaggle of underage boys.
This is pretty much my opinion too and I really shouldn't have made light of the incident(s) or situation in any way.
Also, while it is hard to imagine the average person confusing this group with your average commuter or roadie, the bicycles here are undeniably used as weapons and escape vehicles so it's not such a stretch to imagine more incidents like this one leading to more laws, licensing, etc. which is my worry. (This is also why, although I marched a few times, I never participated in any of the Black Lives Matter protests that were carried out on bicycles. Such protests--a new phenomenon, as far as I know--sent the wrong message about bicycles.)
Also, I see no reason not to believe the driver of the BMW. He stated in a different article that all he did was hit the brakes after the boys surrounded his vehicle to hitch on it, which in turn caused one of the riders behind him to crash.
And I'd also just like to point out what a shame it is that these boys have come to associate their riding with violence and the harassment of strangers.
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“This was an animalistic attack in broad daylight,“ said one Manhattan cop, noting that the vehicle’s occupants, a man and woman in their 50s, were scared for their lives. “It shows how far the city has deteriorated and the politicians better get their heads out of the sand and start to deal with these problems before there is nothing left.”
"Animalistic".
You can taste the racism in that statement.
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I've punched and broke the driver's side mirror of cars that were being driven by asshats (one actively tried to run me off the road) on 3 separate occasions on my motorcycle.
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Originally Posted by rideliketurtle
"Animalistic."