Questions Spokes, Rims, Hub flange fatigue life, lacing, ect
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Questions Spokes, Rims, Hub flange fatigue life, lacing, ect
I was planning to have my wheels rebuilt with some shallow carbon rims for a new bike build, but my wife mention wanting the old wheels for her bike, so I am most likely going to have built a new wheelset.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%.
- Since DT SWISS don't make 32h 240 hubs anymore would 28h be solidly reliable for my use?
- I would get a profession wheel builder to build them, so I will go with what ever he recommends, but I am just wondering, is 3 cross the strongest for a 28h wheel?
- I have read that deeper rims are stronger, I am considering 3 different rims 30mm, 50mm, or a 36mm rim that has an Asymmetric rim profile. I was leaning towards the 30mm since its light, but I wouldn't be against considering 50mm for bunch rides. Is there a large strength difference between the rim depths? And is spokes ripping nipples through carbon rims a serious issue?
- Spoke selection, again I will go with what ever the wheel builder recommends, but I would rather have an idea ahead of time, would I need something as beefy as DT Swiss Alpine III spokes, to make a 28h wheel reliable for me intended use? or would something lighter like DT Swiss Competition spokes be strong enough? I might consider a bladed spoke like DT Swiss Aero Comp if I go with the 50mm rim depth.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%.
- Since DT SWISS don't make 32h 240 hubs anymore would 28h be solidly reliable for my use?
- I would get a profession wheel builder to build them, so I will go with what ever he recommends, but I am just wondering, is 3 cross the strongest for a 28h wheel?
- I have read that deeper rims are stronger, I am considering 3 different rims 30mm, 50mm, or a 36mm rim that has an Asymmetric rim profile. I was leaning towards the 30mm since its light, but I wouldn't be against considering 50mm for bunch rides. Is there a large strength difference between the rim depths? And is spokes ripping nipples through carbon rims a serious issue?
- Spoke selection, again I will go with what ever the wheel builder recommends, but I would rather have an idea ahead of time, would I need something as beefy as DT Swiss Alpine III spokes, to make a 28h wheel reliable for me intended use? or would something lighter like DT Swiss Competition spokes be strong enough? I might consider a bladed spoke like DT Swiss Aero Comp if I go with the 50mm rim depth.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
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For loaded touring, I'd find a hub/wheelset with a sensible number of spokes, 32 at a minimum, 36 preferable. Unless you're riding in competitive events, I wouldn't bother with superlight/low spoke count stuff. Instead, spend your money on getting a hand-built/tensioned wheelset from a reputable wheelbuilder, who can assess your needs and recommend appropriate components for the build.
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I was planning to have my wheels rebuilt with some shallow carbon rims for a new bike build, but my wife mention wanting the old wheels for her bike, so I am most likely going to have built a new wheelset.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%. Flange failures do happen but are no where as common as people seem think, given all the talk about them.
- Since DT SWISS don't make 32h 240 hubs anymore would 28h be solidly reliable for my use? Possibly, but all else the same there's no way 28 points of support can be as strong as 32.
- I would get a profession wheel builder to build them, so I will go with what ever he recommends, but I am just wondering, is 3 cross the strongest for a 28h wheel? As the spoke count goes down generally the cross pattern also lessens due to the angle the spokes leave the flange and enter the rim. Follow the pro's suggestions and don't over think this.
- I have read that deeper rims are stronger, I am considering 3 different rims 30mm, 50mm, or a 36mm rim that has an Asymmetric rim profile. I was leaning towards the 30mm since its light, but I wouldn't be against considering 50mm for bunch rides. Is there a large strength difference between the rim depths? And is spokes ripping nipples through carbon rims a serious issue? Large strength difference, no but the deeper rims are stiffer. Not a preference IMO as I like a wheel that reduces the shocks the rider feels. Nipples can descend into the rim bed with tension. Better rims do a better job at supporting the nipple seat. Again, your builder's advice should be heeded.
- Spoke selection, again I will go with what ever the wheel builder recommends, but I would rather have an idea ahead of time, would I need something as beefy as DT Swiss Alpine III spokes, to make a 28h wheel reliable for me intended use? or would something lighter like DT Swiss Competition spokes be strong enough? I might consider a bladed spoke like DT Swiss Aero Comp if I go with the 50mm rim depth. There is a happy middle between the Alpines and the Comps, why explore the diametrical ends of the range at the same time? You seem unsure as to what you want.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%. Flange failures do happen but are no where as common as people seem think, given all the talk about them.
- Since DT SWISS don't make 32h 240 hubs anymore would 28h be solidly reliable for my use? Possibly, but all else the same there's no way 28 points of support can be as strong as 32.
- I would get a profession wheel builder to build them, so I will go with what ever he recommends, but I am just wondering, is 3 cross the strongest for a 28h wheel? As the spoke count goes down generally the cross pattern also lessens due to the angle the spokes leave the flange and enter the rim. Follow the pro's suggestions and don't over think this.
- I have read that deeper rims are stronger, I am considering 3 different rims 30mm, 50mm, or a 36mm rim that has an Asymmetric rim profile. I was leaning towards the 30mm since its light, but I wouldn't be against considering 50mm for bunch rides. Is there a large strength difference between the rim depths? And is spokes ripping nipples through carbon rims a serious issue? Large strength difference, no but the deeper rims are stiffer. Not a preference IMO as I like a wheel that reduces the shocks the rider feels. Nipples can descend into the rim bed with tension. Better rims do a better job at supporting the nipple seat. Again, your builder's advice should be heeded.
- Spoke selection, again I will go with what ever the wheel builder recommends, but I would rather have an idea ahead of time, would I need something as beefy as DT Swiss Alpine III spokes, to make a 28h wheel reliable for me intended use? or would something lighter like DT Swiss Competition spokes be strong enough? I might consider a bladed spoke like DT Swiss Aero Comp if I go with the 50mm rim depth. There is a happy middle between the Alpines and the Comps, why explore the diametrical ends of the range at the same time? You seem unsure as to what you want.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
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Only flanges I've seen break were a couple of new hubs (<6 month). If they were forged correctly, they'll last a long time.
That said, next time you wash your bike, give the hubs a close look.
That said, next time you wash your bike, give the hubs a close look.
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I was planning to have my wheels rebuilt with some shallow carbon rims for a new bike build, but my wife mention wanting the old wheels for her bike, so I am most likely going to have built a new wheelset.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%.
The new wheels are intended for road/gravel bike packing, and light touring. It will also double as my bunch ride bike for weekends. As for the load of the bike when bikepacking/touring 210lbs or 95kg (Bike 10kg, Rider 70kg, Luggage 10kg, plus an additional 5kg fudge factor)
I have a few questions though, given my intended use:
- My old wheelset that my wife wants has 7 year old DT Swiss 240 hubs 32h, do the flanges have a fatigue life or anything like that? I have seen a few pictures online of flanges breaking. Even if I consider reusing them for me with new rims, I would want to know the flanges are 100%.
- Since DT SWISS don't make 32h 240 hubs anymore would 28h be solidly reliable for my use?
- I would get a profession wheel builder to build them, so I will go with what ever he recommends, but I am just wondering, is 3 cross the strongest for a 28h wheel?
- I have read that deeper rims are stronger, I am considering 3 different rims 30mm, 50mm, or a 36mm rim that has an Asymmetric rim profile. I was leaning towards the 30mm since its light, but I wouldn't be against considering 50mm for bunch rides. Is there a large strength difference between the rim depths? And is spokes ripping nipples through carbon rims a serious issue?
- Spoke selection, again I will go with what ever the wheel builder recommends, but I would rather have an idea ahead of time, would I need something as beefy as DT Swiss Alpine III spokes, to make a 28h wheel reliable for me intended use? or would something lighter like DT Swiss Competition spokes be strong enough? I might consider a bladed spoke like DT Swiss Aero Comp if I go with the 50mm rim depth.
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Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!