actual cost to build a $14,000 bike
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Unless you're wrong.
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Its the load-bearing decals. Highly engineered for strength and durability so the manufacturers can cut weight on frames and forks. A true breakthrough in bicycle design.
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Armed with my little knowledge (somewhat outdated) of prices in the bike biz, I estimate that the manufacturer's cost of goods on a $14,000 SRP bike would be somewhere around $4500-$5000. And it would cost the dealer around $9200-$9800.
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...one of my old friends from the Bike Kitchen just coughed up something like 12 or 13 thousand dollars for an electric assist bakfiets. I think maybe he bought it instead of an electric car. But he can claim it's quite different mechanically from those other bikes.
Or if I wanted full rigid I would go Urban Arrow which is also very Dutch and cheaper than 12k https://na.urbanarrow.com. I think even fully kitted out you can get it for under 10k and I am including keyed-a-like locks and all the cargo stuff. Maybe a little more with a dual battery.
The Bakfiets is a classic, sort of a vintage cargo bike like the Rivendell of the cargo world rim brakes, vintage aesthetic still neat but a little bit over priced for what it is. We have seen quite a few come through the shop though haven't seen their Shimano STePS version yet. I do like that blue color they show on the site though so I could see the attraction.
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However, many other companies make or have made Aethos-like bikes. The old R5Ca being an example.
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First, I'm not sure that "high modulus fabric" is what's used in the highest end Aethos. Second, do their frames weigh 585g and yet are rated for rider/cargo weights up to 300#?
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Most realistic estimate so far.
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I didn't say what the Aethos is made of. YOU brought up high grade carbon fiber. What do you think high grade carbon fiber means?
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But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
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As I understand it, there are all sorts of grades of CF. I've seen several videos showing layups where it looked like some of it was fabric, while some looked more like ribbons with the fibers all in the same orientation. Some of it is stronger or stiffer for the weight than others, some of it much more expensive than others. So, it's not like there are only two grades. I think there are also different resins.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
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As I understand it, there are all sorts of grades of CF. I've seen several videos showing layups where it looked like some of it was fabric, while some looked more like ribbons with the fibers all in the same orientation. Some of it is stronger or stiffer for the weight than others, some of it much more expensive than others. So, it's not like there are only two grades. I think there are also different resins.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
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As I understand it, there are all sorts of grades of CF. I've seen several videos showing layups where it looked like some of it was fabric, while some looked more like ribbons with the fibers all in the same orientation. Some of it is stronger or stiffer for the weight than others, some of it much more expensive than others. So, it's not like there are only two grades. I think there are also different resins.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
But that's just materials. There's the complexity of the layup, then the actual molding, the finishing, etc. And that's all just the cost of producing a frame that's already designed and engineered. The people who designed it don't work for free, either. There's a lot more to bringing a product to market than just COGS.
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Also, what I have done is to note that it's more complex than simply "high modulus fabric" vs standard, as well as to point out there are different grades of other materials used in the production, not to mention fit and finish, and that design and engineering aren't free either, and this weak tea is all you've got?
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Nonsense. You're clearly in the thrall of Big Shorts!
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You must be new here.
Also, what I have done is to note that it's more complex than simply "high modulus fabric" vs standard, as well as to point out there are different grades of other materials used in the production, not to mention fit and finish, and that design and engineering aren't free either, and this weak tea is all you've got?
Also, what I have done is to note that it's more complex than simply "high modulus fabric" vs standard, as well as to point out there are different grades of other materials used in the production, not to mention fit and finish, and that design and engineering aren't free either, and this weak tea is all you've got?
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Did I say it was the only factor in the price? If not then 1) do you even have a point? 2) Should we start a support group for people with a pathological need to have the last word? I'm thinking the problem would be the first meeting would never end.
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I can't believe that neither of you is mentioning the cost of the magic yak urine that must be used in the high end frames.
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The same question about the cost to build a $14000 bike can be applied to SUVs and newer quad cab 4X pickups. They are profit centers. They are definitely better, but the value is what the consumer is willing to spend and the feeling they get from it.
Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy and folding up shop until they rolled out the Cayenne SUV which saved the company. The best selling Porsche these days is not the 911 but the Macan SUV. Yup, they are profit wonders. I could extrapolate that the same high end bikes also support the low-end bikes of the same manufacturer, but have no concrete evidence.
Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy and folding up shop until they rolled out the Cayenne SUV which saved the company. The best selling Porsche these days is not the 911 but the Macan SUV. Yup, they are profit wonders. I could extrapolate that the same high end bikes also support the low-end bikes of the same manufacturer, but have no concrete evidence.
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Is $14,000 a lot? I guess it's relative.
In 1984, the Raleigh Olympic time trial bikes cast $25,000 each--or about $70,000 in today's dollars.
In 1984, the Raleigh Olympic time trial bikes cast $25,000 each--or about $70,000 in today's dollars.
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The same question about the cost to build a $14000 bike can be applied to SUVs and newer quad cab 4X pickups. They are profit centers. They are definitely better, but the value is what the consumer is willing to spend and the feeling they get from it.
Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy and folding up shop until they rolled out the Cayenne SUV which saved the company. The best selling Porsche these days is not the 911 but the Macan SUV. Yup, they are profit wonders. I could extrapolate that the same high end bikes also support the low-end bikes of the same manufacturer, but have no concrete evidence.
Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy and folding up shop until they rolled out the Cayenne SUV which saved the company. The best selling Porsche these days is not the 911 but the Macan SUV. Yup, they are profit wonders. I could extrapolate that the same high end bikes also support the low-end bikes of the same manufacturer, but have no concrete evidence.
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