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1/4 inch tubing for both bikes, TBH I prefer the copper to the steel. Im not going to claim that these things are "safe" but they arent quite as dangerous as they look. In any case, I took them off for the group ride to be more sociable. It would take a horrific accident for them to hurt somebody but its still something I have to consider.
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That can't happen, im more worried about the fringe case of a multi bike pileup where these could stab someone. Like I said, it would have to be a horrific accident for my aerobars to come into play. That fringe case is way more likely on a fast group ride though, hence me cutting the aerobars off
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My old hybrid has a basket, my racing hybrid is brand new. Here’s a pic of my bikes, aerobars removed for the group ride https://imgur.com/gallery/KvS2FjH
What hasn't been asked yet is: do you intend to compete in road racing events in the future? Because generally, that's what these guys are training for, in many cases. If so, get the proper equipment for road racing. If not, perhaps a different group of more leisurely riders, not competition-level road riders, is in order. You can still ride hard, challenge yourself, and work the hills in such a group, and ride whatever bike you want.
As it stands now, these guys are most assuredly making fun of you behind your back. I'm not trying to be harsh, just honest.
In the road racing world, we sometimes, only half-jokingly, refer to "The Rules," as laid forth by the Velominati. Learn them, live them, love them.
Having said that, I am no longer one of those guys. I ride what I want, I dress how I want, and the arms of my eyewear are under the helmet straps. My road racing days are about three-and-a-half decades behind me. But my riding ability still speaks for itself. It's not uncommon for me to drop guys half my age, riding $6,000 carbon fiber wonder-bikes, on a 70s-era steel road bike, in the hills. These days I'm out to enjoy the ride with like-minded friends. More rando/touring style riding than road racing.
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If you want some fun big hill training on the SF Peninsula and have the time, consider the Hills R Us ride on Wednesday mornings. Typical routes have 4000 feet to 7000 feet of climbing.
It's a "social" ride, but there's always a few willing to push the pace. Several years ago, this was ride that transformed me from a guy who thinks he's a climber to a "climbing fool".
Here's the Hills R Us page.
It's a "social" ride, but there's always a few willing to push the pace. Several years ago, this was ride that transformed me from a guy who thinks he's a climber to a "climbing fool".
Here's the Hills R Us page.
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My old hybrid has a basket, my racing hybrid is brand new. Heres a pic of my bikes, aerobars removed for the group ride https://imgur.com/gallery/KvS2FjH
If speed is important to you, and from your posts, it seems so, then do yourself a favor and get yourself an actual road bike. Hybrids are not built for speed and their geometry alone is working against you. Why go to the trouble of "aerobars" on a hybrid, when its front end is up so high to begin with?
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What are the bent tube-like extensions you have zip-tied to your stems? I'm just gonna come out and say it: the riders in this group/groups are probably wondering to themselves, "Who the heck is this Fred with the crazy commuter bike?" (EDIT: wrote this before I saw the explanation.)
What hasn't been asked yet is: do you intend to compete in road racing events in the future? Because generally, that's what these guys are training for, in many cases. If so, get the proper equipment for road racing. If not, perhaps a different group of more leisurely riders, not competition-level road riders, is in order. You can still ride hard, challenge yourself, and work the hills in such a group, and ride whatever bike you want.
As it stands now, these guys are most assuredly making fun of you behind your back. I'm not trying to be harsh, just honest.
In the road racing world, we sometimes, only half-jokingly, refer to "The Rules," as laid forth by the Velominati. Learn them, live them, love them.
Having said that, I am no longer one of those guys. I ride what I want, I dress how I want, and the arms of my eyewear are under the helmet straps. My road racing days are about three-and-a-half decades behind me. But my riding ability still speaks for itself. It's not uncommon for me to drop guys half my age, riding $6,000 carbon fiber wonder-bikes, on a 70s-era steel road bike, in the hills. These days I'm out to enjoy the ride with like-minded friends. More rando/touring style riding than road racing.
What hasn't been asked yet is: do you intend to compete in road racing events in the future? Because generally, that's what these guys are training for, in many cases. If so, get the proper equipment for road racing. If not, perhaps a different group of more leisurely riders, not competition-level road riders, is in order. You can still ride hard, challenge yourself, and work the hills in such a group, and ride whatever bike you want.
As it stands now, these guys are most assuredly making fun of you behind your back. I'm not trying to be harsh, just honest.
In the road racing world, we sometimes, only half-jokingly, refer to "The Rules," as laid forth by the Velominati. Learn them, live them, love them.
Having said that, I am no longer one of those guys. I ride what I want, I dress how I want, and the arms of my eyewear are under the helmet straps. My road racing days are about three-and-a-half decades behind me. But my riding ability still speaks for itself. It's not uncommon for me to drop guys half my age, riding $6,000 carbon fiber wonder-bikes, on a 70s-era steel road bike, in the hills. These days I'm out to enjoy the ride with like-minded friends. More rando/touring style riding than road racing.
they can make fun of me all they want, Ill just get stronger and come back faster. Gonna spend some time going up a big daddy hill instead of chasing them in a futile effort.
also why are old guys so damn fast lol?? They chill down the hills but I swear once you hit like 65+ and have spent years on the saddle you level up or something. Love to see it. In your pic its sick that the portly Lycra dude was able to keep up with you two, I can tell just by looking that the you and the dude on the left are fast
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I'm impressed that you can make any kind of speed at all on those bikes. But for the tiny chance that your phrase wasn't deliberately ironic, "racing hybrid" is an oxymoron.
If speed is important to you, and from your posts, it seems so, then do yourself a favor and get yourself an actual road bike. Hybrids are not built for speed and their geometry alone is working against you. Why go to the trouble of "aerobars" on a hybrid, when its front end is up so high to begin with?
If speed is important to you, and from your posts, it seems so, then do yourself a favor and get yourself an actual road bike. Hybrids are not built for speed and their geometry alone is working against you. Why go to the trouble of "aerobars" on a hybrid, when its front end is up so high to begin with?
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Goggle "spinning" and "mashing"
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Well that's great, but track bikes belong on the track. NOT on the road.
If you're serious about riding a track bike, take it to the Hellyer Velodrome in San Jose. They have beginner sessions on Saturdays.
If you're serious about riding a track bike, take it to the Hellyer Velodrome in San Jose. They have beginner sessions on Saturdays.
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Yeah high cadence is good, but if I don't have a massive gear ratio the other fixie and single speed riders will think im a clown. I didn't make these rules. TBH I wish I could put a smaller gear on it because I have some knee problems. Once I learn to spin it though, I should be fast
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Yeah high cadence is good, but if I don't have a massive gear ratio the other fixie and single speed riders will think im a clown. I didn't make these rules. TBH I wish I could put a smaller gear on it because I have some knee problems. Once I learn to spin it though, I should be fast
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Well that's great, but track bikes belong on the track. NOT on the road.
If you're serious about riding a track bike, take it to the Hellyer Velodrome in San Jose. They have beginner sessions on Saturdays.
If you're serious about riding a track bike, take it to the Hellyer Velodrome in San Jose. They have beginner sessions on Saturdays.
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I appreciate that and am not trying to be obstinate, the single speed will be a training tool and a learning experience in riding fixed gear. Ive heard riding fixed gear can make you a more attentive and better cyclist in general.
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Under no circumstances should a person ever show up to a group ride on a track bike. The other riders will shun you like the plague.
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The last thing I want is for people to think im dangerous
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Showing up to a fast group ride on a hybrid also sends a similar (but less blaring) signal.
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Why are so many old guys so fast? Years and years of going fast. You can bet that all of them were probably even faster in years past. There's also the fact that they know WHEN to go hard, when to conserve, and how to go fast with minimal effort. You gassed yourself just getting to the front of the group, and then got dropped - that was a pretty pointless effort, and made you look pretty foolish.
"Racing hybrid"...
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also why are old guys so damn fast lol?? They chill down the hills but I swear once you hit like 65+ and have spent years on the saddle you level up or something. Love to see it. In your pic it’s sick that the portly Lycra dude was able to keep up with you two, I can tell just by looking that the you and the dude on the left are fast
I'm the dude on the left, gugie in the middle, and Andy_K on the right.
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In my experience with high-level group rides, the tolerance level is pretty low for perceived dangerous riders, and repeat offenders are quickly asked to stay away from the group. Sometimes not very politely. However, demonstrate good ride etiquette, good pack skills, and leg-busting strength on a non-standard bike, and the attitude is quite different. Years ago, John Tomac would occasionally show up and put the hammer down in one of the fast group rides in my area - on his MTB. No one complained about anything but the suffering.
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A rookie on a fixie in a fast roadie group is a recipe for someone getting hurt. Win a few National titles on the track, and people will start to be more accepting of your skills with a fixie out on the road.
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The learning experience you need is how to ride a road bike and how to ride in groups. Some people who already have significant experience in (road riding/MTB, etc.) can benefit from a fixed gear bike, but that's not where a beginner should start.
So if you're coming to BF for advice, the answer is, to repeat, ride a lot, lose some weight, get a road bike, and learn to ride in groups with a group that is at least close to you in ability.
If you don't like that advice, then it's your ice cream truck - drive it wherever you like.
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It's said if you have the right gear climbing on a fixed gear is easier than a freewheel because of the gyro effect. This doesn't make them faster over a hilly course. When good fixed gear riders come on our longer club rides they are welcome but not usually in a paceline. The guy I mentioned above will follow the route but ride his own pace, usually slower than the fast group.
If you're going to ride a fixed gear bike in the hills you have to put a low enough gear for the steep sections or you'll end up walking or blowing up. It's a rare rider who can grind super low cadence for miles on end.
Then there are descents. You will spin out but you can't coast.
The turns are another challenge. Since you can't stop pedaling you can't lean into the outside pedal. Also, pedal strikes are a concern which is why fixed gear roadies sometimes use short crankarms. I think this has caused several crashes that I know about.
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In my experience with high-level group rides, the tolerance level is pretty low for perceived dangerous riders, and repeat offenders are quickly asked to stay away from the group. Sometimes not very politely. However, demonstrate good ride etiquette, good pack skills, and leg-busting strength on a non-standard bike, and the attitude is quite different. Years ago, John Tomac would occasionally show up and put the hammer down in one of the fast group rides in my area - on his MTB. No one complained about anything but the suffering.
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