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I've been riding bikes for about 55 years, and riding seriously (and sometimes not so seriously ) for about twenty years, and have crashed several times. None of my crashes have been caused by the things you guys are arguing about. And of my friends who've crashed, I can't recall any incidents in which faster braking or swerving would've made a difference.
Because that would be relevant.
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I've been riding bikes for about 55 years, and riding seriously (and sometimes not so seriously ) for about twenty years, and have crashed several times. None of my crashes have been caused by the things you guys are arguing about. And of my friends who've crashed, I can't recall any incidents in which faster braking or swerving would've made a difference.
By all means, though, keep arguing about it.
By all means, though, keep arguing about it.
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I won't pretend that my experience (n=1) is universal, the way some posters believe that. But I have had the basics down cold for some time now, and so my crashes have been weird, one-off events: an unseen pothole, turning too sharply on gravel, getting blown sideways (welcome to the Great Plains!)...Heck, I've even forgotten to unclip in time as recently as a couple years ago. But none of those crashes involved crashing INTO something, and I can't recall any "near misses" that involved potentially crashing into something. (Damn you all. Now I'll probably crash into something when riding home from the taproom this Friday.)
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That's a fair point. Even so, I can't recall any instances in which I needed to really lay on the brakes in order to avoid a crash -- nor can I recall any friends being in that circumstance. While I do some urban commuting, I have learned how to avoid giving motorists opportunities to cut me off and force me into emergency braking.
Most novice cyclists are reluctant to use the front brake as much as they should be. That's where most cyclists start out. Should they just learn to do better on their own?
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A valuable skill, which is why an emergency turn is also something taught in a bike skills class.
For good reason, as is not intuitive. When confronted with an oncoming hazard, an unskilled cyclist will steer away from the hazard.
This is the opposite of what should be done, which is to steer sharply towards the hazard.
For good reason, as is not intuitive. When confronted with an oncoming hazard, an unskilled cyclist will steer away from the hazard.
This is the opposite of what should be done, which is to steer sharply towards the hazard.
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Google countersteering bicycle and you'll find a whole bunch of sources claiming that it's absolutely necessary and an equal number claiming it's total hogwash.
This is one of those perennial arguments on BF.
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That's a fair point. Even so, I can't recall any instances in which I needed to really lay on the brakes in order to avoid a crash -- nor can I recall any friends being in that circumstance. While I do some urban commuting, I have learned how to avoid giving motorists opportunities to cut me off and force me into emergency braking.
I won't pretend that my experience (n=1) is universal, the way some posters believe that. But I have had the basics down cold for some time now, and so my crashes have been weird, one-off events: an unseen pothole, turning too sharply on gravel, getting blown sideways (welcome to the Great Plains!)...Heck, I've even forgotten to unclip in time as recently as a couple years ago. But none of those crashes involved crashing INTO something, and I can't recall any "near misses" that involved potentially crashing into something. (Damn you all. Now I'll probably crash into something when riding home from the taproom this Friday.)
I won't pretend that my experience (n=1) is universal, the way some posters believe that. But I have had the basics down cold for some time now, and so my crashes have been weird, one-off events: an unseen pothole, turning too sharply on gravel, getting blown sideways (welcome to the Great Plains!)...Heck, I've even forgotten to unclip in time as recently as a couple years ago. But none of those crashes involved crashing INTO something, and I can't recall any "near misses" that involved potentially crashing into something. (Damn you all. Now I'll probably crash into something when riding home from the taproom this Friday.)
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I had foolishly taken both hands off the bar in order to extract something from a jersey pocket -- so it only took one big crosswind gust to pitch me askew, then it was ass-over-teacups right in the middle of the road. Learned my lesson.
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Here’s a video of riders practicing the “quick turn”.
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Here’s a video of riders practicing the “quick turn”.
Ive noticed countersteering when riding on the very far right of the road and being unable to drift left without falling off of the road. Took a little bit for me to figure out what was going on it was a weird feeling. Countersteering is a motorcycling thing, cyclists do it naturally. Our bikes do it naturally for us tbh.
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Ride down Polhemus from Ralston to De Anza on a really windy day without braking. You'll find the crosswind-susceptible bikes. Trust me.
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Youd be surprised at how good of a test it is for stability, its like riding without hands but harder. An unstable bike will be very angry while a perfect bike is easy. I saw a kid doing it and thought it was super cool and then realized that I understand how my bikes behave better from doing it
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None of those turns were quick, they were deliberately trying to counter steer which looked awkward and it wasn't done at speed so like why even bother trying to show it? Also the riders were wearing facemasks, its a clown fiesta all around. Telling someone to "steer right" to "turn left" is silly, people dont think about it when they turn.
There is only one way to turn quickly, which is to steer away from the direction you want to go.
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55 years of bicycling, and I've never managed to skid the rear wheel except with coaster brakes (we did that for fun when I was a kid)
It is extremely difficult to lock the rear wheel sufficiently to produce a skid with rim brakes. Somebody actually managing to do it with discs?
It is extremely difficult to lock the rear wheel sufficiently to produce a skid with rim brakes. Somebody actually managing to do it with discs?
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What you talkin’ about, Willis! It’s easy to skid a rear wheel on a single bicycle with any brake. If you want a long skid, just move your weight forward and slide away. It wears tires out rather quickly, however. And, since I’m paying for the tires now and skidding doesn’t impress girls as much as we used to think it did, I don’t do it a lot.
I already addressed this (post 180)--I meant to say "inadvertently" and my word choice was bad.
I honestly don't know what it would take for me to produce a significant skid with rim brakes as I've never actually tried to do it because I'm a grownup. The allure of the skid mark faded pretty much at the same time I graduated from coaster brakes.
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I already addressed this (post 180)--I meant to say "inadvertently" and my word choice was bad.
I honestly don't know what it would take for me to produce a significant skid with rim brakes as I've never actually tried to do it because I'm a grownup. The allure of the skid mark faded pretty much at the same time I graduated from coaster brakes.
I honestly don't know what it would take for me to produce a significant skid with rim brakes as I've never actually tried to do it because I'm a grownup. The allure of the skid mark faded pretty much at the same time I graduated from coaster brakes.
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