Burn it down burn it all down to the ground
12-27-10, 04:16 PM
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12-28-10, 06:04 AM
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So just for fun, let's say that "the truth" comes out. The whole thing. Then the riders say it's not possible for us to ride these races without something to get us to the finish. We cannnot ride these ridiculous courses (take a peek at the Giro route for 2011 for starters) without some help. Which do you want? You want epic, or you want shorter stages with less climbing and slower racing? The promoters continue to up the ante, then they turn around and admonish the riders for doing what they ask.
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12-28-10, 06:10 AM
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the idea that I care what kind of courses they ride is, in short, stupid. I stopped following pro cycling many years ago due to the drugs.
12-28-10, 07:20 AM
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the truth is that I don't know, or much care, how today's races compare to the days of yore. I only know that drug use at the upper levels inevitably trickles down and impacts myself and others. then again I don't do real races....hard to get to Belgium on the weekends from NJ.
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12-28-10, 08:00 AM
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So just for fun, let's say that "the truth" comes out. The whole thing. Then the riders say it's not possible for us to ride these races without something to get us to the finish. We cannnot ride these ridiculous courses (take a peek at the Giro route for 2011 for starters) without some help. Which do you want? You want epic, or you want shorter stages with less climbing and slower racing? The promoters continue to up the ante, then they turn around and admonish the riders for doing what they ask.
12-28-10, 08:27 AM
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12-28-10, 08:37 AM
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By illegal I meant according to the sport, not the law. Does he think all professional riders are using a banned substance (of some sort) in order to finish and/or be successful in GTs.
12-28-10, 08:38 AM
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Trust me I get it. But, like David Millar I don't give him a pass because he had his chance early on. He lied and took money from people to help try to defend that lie.
I feel sorry for him. I don't think he's real smart and I think he got awful advice, but he still had to make the call. But you are correct in that, at that level you are not just winning for yourself. A lot of other people make a living at helping riders win. When they do and they get caught, there's more than one person getting snagged, Liberty Seguros. Festina. For starters.
I feel sorry for him. I don't think he's real smart and I think he got awful advice, but he still had to make the call. But you are correct in that, at that level you are not just winning for yourself. A lot of other people make a living at helping riders win. When they do and they get caught, there's more than one person getting snagged, Liberty Seguros. Festina. For starters.
He lied because it is the culture in cycling to deny, cover up, deny some more and then lie about drug use. If he is a "good boy" and maintains the facade, then, normally, the good old boys club will let you back in to continue on as before. Problem here is that the good old boys club didn't want Floyd back. After playing by the "rules"--- and lying in every way imaginable--- he was shunned. So, its really not that hard to grasp why he lied. They all lie.
12-28-10, 09:14 AM
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So just for fun, let's say that "the truth" comes out. The whole thing. Then the riders say it's not possible for us to ride these races without something to get us to the finish. We cannnot ride these ridiculous courses (take a peek at the Giro route for 2011 for starters) without some help. Which do you want? You want epic, or you want shorter stages with less climbing and slower racing? The promoters continue to up the ante, then they turn around and admonish the riders for doing what they ask.
Where have I heard that line of bull**** before.
12-28-10, 10:11 AM
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Nice choice of words...isn't that what we're all talking about here? Using any means necessary to remain competitive in a race? If you check out those links you'll find that Novitzky isn't too worried about the rules and regulations or how they apply to him.
12-28-10, 10:36 AM
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Not that I don't think dopers in sport's should not get caught, I just don't think it's the Federal governments job to use my tax dollars to do so. There are more important things they could waste money on.
12-28-10, 10:44 AM
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Don't be an idiot.
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12-28-10, 10:57 AM
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So just for fun, let's say that "the truth" comes out. The whole thing. Then the riders say it's not possible for us to ride these races without something to get us to the finish. We cannnot ride these ridiculous courses (take a peek at the Giro route for 2011 for starters) without some help. Which do you want? You want epic, or you want shorter stages with less climbing and slower racing? The promoters continue to up the ante, then they turn around and admonish the riders for doing what they ask.
12-28-10, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by leadwarrior
"You want epic or you want shorter stages with less climbing and slower racing?"
