davids0507

Funny how that works, huh? I'm much worse at cycling than I was at running.

By the way, 55 minutes for 10 miles is worse than a 4:28. Your 8K is closer to your mile in quality.

Runner 1

I guess it's all perspective. On my team, I am by FAR the worst miler. I think the next slowest is like 4:15 (converted from a 1500m). But I can hold my own in the 8K pretty well. Plus, look how many high schoolers can run 4:28, but there's few that can run an 8K or 10 miler that fast.

From a triathlon perspective, though, the 4:28 mile is probably harder, but that's only because these guys don't focus on speed. If they wanted to, they could probably improve their mile pretty quickly by training for it, but there's not much reason to.

akansaskid

No "analogy" was intended, nor was any "grouping." It was the 1960s, in a small Kansas city, our TV got one channel, there was no Internet. The running boom was years away. A kid in your school runs 4:11, some other Kansas kid runs 3:59. You can't see into the future 20 years. You just know you're not a player in that game. Probably before your time, I'd guess.

Citadel01grad

My best mile that I'm aware of was 5:03 when the split was called during a PT test in college. My average pace now in a 5K is around 6:15.

hhnngg1

Are all you sub 6min/mile runners triathletes or pure roadies who basically never run?

dissident

I can jog a 6 minute but feel no need to do so. Some people are hardcore, live life to the fullest testosterone induced types, but I've always been more relaxed. For the average person, jogging the casual 4 miles I do they think that's really good. For me it's just a way to keep myself sane. I've also never cared much what people think, nor do I constantly analyze and compare myself to others which I'm told is odd, that most people are constantly sizing each other up. Meh.

the cyclops

I know its amazing right??? And to think I have trained for 3+years doing intervals,tempos,longruns,hill work,speed work,etc and can only run a 7:40 and even higher than that when I go for distance...These guys must all be prodigys

hhnngg1

Again, I call TOTAL BS here.

Nobody 'jogs' a 6 minute mile. Even one of the world's best marathoners, Ryan Hall, who holds the American all-time marathon record, does easy runs at a 7min/mile clip.

The fact that you even word the use 'jog' shows your lack of true running experience. It would be like saying I'm going to 'pedal' an easy 27mph paceline. Yeah, right.

I think running posts attract the highest BS to fact ratio of any thread on BF.

chadwick

My best mile time in the past year has been between 7:00 and 7:29. Before doing speed-work for the first time in December & January, my best mile was about 8:30. That block of speed-work was telling for me in just how hard you can push yourself and not actually die.

I wouldn't expect improved times from the speed-work without more strength training and a less body mass to haul around, but I may be wrong there.

I ran my first mile, ever, in November of 2006 at age 35, so being able to do this at all has been great fun.

runner pat

Where do you get a seven minute pace for a world class runner? Hall would run around six minute pace for an easy run unless he's warming up.

hhnngg1

In an interview about a year and a half ago, he said he did his easy runs with his wife (also a national-caliber runner) at 7min/mile.

Considering he runs marathons at 5:05/mile, this is an expected pace. Experienced marathoners generally will run their easy runs approx 1:30-2min/mile slower than race pace.

runner pat

And his wife's proper easy pace is probably close to seven minute pace. He probably does that to have time together and he may have problems keeping himself at the correct pace and may tend to go too fast on his own.

And his marathon PR is at 4:49 pace.

hhnngg1

Ryan also just rode Old LaHonda nearby , a popular short time-trial hill, on a bike. Did it in 18:50ish, about what a Cat2 would do it in.

Record is 12:50, and most pros cyclists who have done it are under 17:00.

Ironically, I'll bet he could RUN up that hill faster than he can bike it!

gazelle5333

used to be able to run a 5:4x mile in high school...now it's a little higher...still running 3 mile triathlon legs in sub 7 min mile splits though. Once pulled off a 12:25 two mile in high school too

SBRDude

I ran track and cross country in high school and for a year in junior college. As far as garden variety runners went, I was decent, but I was pretty slow compared to my teammates. I think my best mile in high school was 4:50 and my fastest 10k was 37:12 (exactly a 6 min mile). When I did triathlons (in my mid to late 20s), my fastest runs were at a 6 min mile for some tris with 5 mile run legs (probably about a 20 mi bike leg). I was a good amateur, but not great. I don't run much anymore because I tend to get injuries. The last time I tried to get back into running (2 years ago, so I would have been 43), I was in decent shape from cycling and swimming, but could only manage about an 8 min/mile pace for a few miles. Some of it was due to being heavier - about 20 lbs heavier then than at my peak of doing triathlons, but my triathlon weight was also about 20 lbs higher than my high school/college weight, and I was a better runner when doing triathlons than when I ran track and cross country. So, the combination of age, weight, and not running anymore has - no surprise here - left me slower!

I like to think that if I could back into running (which I hope to this fall and winter), that I could still routinely hold a 7 min/mile pace for training and something faster for a 5k/10k race, but I don't know how realistic that is.

therhodeo

5:54 in high school. 55 second on the quarter which was my best distance. This was all as a 220lb football player. Definitely not a runner.

Runner 1

Beats my 400!

That is very interesting. All the (snobby) runners like to ask why Lance wasn't running 15 minute 5k's, but it's obvious the reverse trend (running to cycling) applies as well!

runner pat

Don't forget Lance was a national champion in the sprint triathlon as a teenager(18 and 19 yo) so he was no slouch at running. He's just better at cycling.

rumrunn6

10 minutes per mile whether it's 3 or 2 miles. I never tried longer than 3 miles. I'm very fond of the 2 mile cuz it's quick. 20 minutes and I'm done.

hhnngg1

Actually, though I haven't seen any of his early race results, I'm fairly certain that to compete as a national caliber triathlete, your standalone 5k should be 15:xx, and definitely no slower than 16:20. This is even 'back in the day' during Lance's early years. I'd bet 99% that when he was competing as a triathlete, he could throw down a 15:xx 5k. His most recent marathon results are not representative, as he really never trained more than lightly casual for the ones he did - which is a world away from training as a competitive budding professional triathlete.

the cyclops

Tell him man!!! Either these people are seriously mis-judging exactly how far they are running,or are straight out spitting BS...Who knows,all I know is I could not honestly tell you how fast I cycle(Well I am waiting on my new Knog nerd 12 computer to arrive so I can know) but I do know my run times,and I cant believe my eyes on some of these posts.

sharrn

My fastest mile in high school was 7:14-7:30 ( I don't remember exactly.) but I wasn't big on P.E. back then. I've just never been into running, hence the slow time.

happa95

Hey everyone! I'm still in high school, just started actually (I just finished freshman year). Coming from an entirely non-athletic background in middle school, I decided that I wanted to be in shape during high school so I started running a few miles every day on my own and then with the cross country team for summer training. I actually started cycling as a way to cross train for running because I began to get aches and pains when I bumped up the mileage. I finished freshman track with a 5:31 mile which isn't fast by any means, but I was injured for the second half of the season so I feel like I could have gone 10-15 seconds faster. Either way, I've found cycling to be much more enjoyable and I intend on focusing entirely on cycling after sophomore year.

Runner 1

I'd agree with this. I feel like I've seen his youth results before but I can't remember where.

JAMES_AMTRAK

The funny thing is, with the proper inreval workout these guysthat run in the low to mid 5 min miles could be in th 4s easily. Like I said in my earlier post I would do 10 to 12 400m repeats and try to do them all uber a minute with limited recover then 2 day later go to 800m repeatss. It made my mile and 2 mile times drop significantly. My specialty was the 2 mile. 8 ran a excellent tine for the mile but hated it. I liked the more drawn out races. 3200m and 5000m. Of coruse you need a good base mileage fist. I love cyclig. I've ink been at it 12 or so weeks but it is awesome. Can't wait to compete in my first race