Colnago Frame from the 80's
08-12-11, 09:12 AM
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Colnago Frame from the 80's
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who can help to identify this Colnago frame. From which year it could be? Which model is it? What could be the meaning of the "S36" on the rear dropout?
I'll build up it in original way. Which kind of components do you recommend?
Thanks for your help
who can help to identify this Colnago frame. From which year it could be? Which model is it? What could be the meaning of the "S36" on the rear dropout?
I'll build up it in original way. Which kind of components do you recommend?
Thanks for your help
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Best guess... 'bout '85-'86 Superissimo.. Could go with late Super or C-Record.
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I don't know - but man, that looks really cool!
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I'd agree very late Super Record, or early C-record, Croce gruppo.
If the bike is later than mid 80's go with a 1st gen record or chorus ergo gruppo
8 speed.
Very nice bike but what's with the bunny coming out of the seat tube???
Marty
If the bike is later than mid 80's go with a 1st gen record or chorus ergo gruppo
8 speed.
Very nice bike but what's with the bunny coming out of the seat tube???
Marty
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08-13-11, 03:29 AM
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I think it's a Colnago Super with Columbus SL tubing. It is hard to tell from the photo's but I also think it has a Campagnolo Super Record headset and possibly a Campagnolo Record Bottom Bracket already fitted. I suggest sticking with the groupset to match the BB and Headset - what ever the gruppo happens to be if you do build it up. If they are Campy Super record components I would guess at the frame being a early to mid 80's vintage (82 - 86???).
Nice looking frame - I lusted after the Colnagos with that paint scheme when I was much younger.
Nice looking frame - I lusted after the Colnagos with that paint scheme when I was much younger.
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The BB may be NR/SR but the headset is it, a SR headset would be dullish aluminum versus a shiney chromish (unless its been polished.)
S36 on the dropout is a top secret code know only to an unknown person at Colnago. Nobody knows what the code means. Somewhre in the 80's Colnago moved away from Campy dropouts to in-house Colnago dropouts so it no newer than mid-80's.
S36 on the dropout is a top secret code know only to an unknown person at Colnago. Nobody knows what the code means. Somewhre in the 80's Colnago moved away from Campy dropouts to in-house Colnago dropouts so it no newer than mid-80's.
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Fantastic frame. I agree with the rest here that you should find a croce d'aune, c-record or late super record group for this beauty. You can identify late super record by the aero levers and the non-fluted crank arms.
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BB and HS both look steel to me.
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That is not a Super (or Superissimo). Shaped tubing rules that out. My guess is Essa Mexico:
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalog...ago-88/06a.jpg
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalog...ago-88/06a.jpg
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I LOVE THIS!!!!!!! that crimped Colnago tubing and "onion bag" paint soo sexxy.
I would really consider C Record for this. but I don't think something like SR brakes and early Athena crank and derailleurs would look too out of place.
I would really consider C Record for this. but I don't think something like SR brakes and early Athena crank and derailleurs would look too out of place.
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I have an '83 Superissimo in a solid blue. The rear DO are Campagnolo and the front DO are Colnago. Based on the paint scheme, clover on the brake bridge, "Colnago" 3 places on the BB, and finally the fork crown stampings, I would place it post '83. If you are interested, here are my pics for comparison: https://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae332/SJX426/.
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And the shaped tubes, generally, didn't come along until the early Master circa 1984 (as opposed to the simple grooves of the Nuovo Mexico). This tubing falls somewhere between the simple grooves and full shaping, hence Essa Mexico - probably '85 or '86 at the earliest.
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It's a Colnago Nuovo Mexico frame. The Nuovo Mexico's were fitted with a Super Record gruppo.
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Co...w=1278&bih=597
https://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc...ersey0308.html
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/vie...7dadbec64e578f
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Co...w=1278&bih=597
https://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc...ersey0308.html
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/vie...7dadbec64e578f
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I still think it's the Superissimo. Notice the lack of chromed lugs, and what appears to be an SL (rather than SLX) decal in this pic:
The Colnago line during the '80s, was confusing, to say the least. Several of the better models had the crimped SL, from about '83-'86, before the Gilco set was used.
I think if "repechage" has a look, he can nail it.
The Colnago line during the '80s, was confusing, to say the least. Several of the better models had the crimped SL, from about '83-'86, before the Gilco set was used.
I think if "repechage" has a look, he can nail it.
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There a number of things this hinges on, which might help clarify.
1. Does the OP's frame have just a single channel in the top tube on each side, or more than one. If more than one, I'm sure it's an Essa Mexico:
https://www.raydobbins.com/colnago_essa/index
But admittedly, I can't tell from the OP's pics.
2. If only a single channel, it's very likely a Nuovo Mexico, as Gary suggests - my only hesitation being that all of Gary's pics appear to be of earlier bikes than the OP's - e.g. flat seatstay caps rather than the rounded one's the OP's bike has (and several of the linked bikes have) - which is significant in that the Essa Mexico replaced the Nuovo Mexico in the lineup. But if the OP's top tube only has a single channel per side, this is where I'm leaning.
3. The Superissimo guess is possible, if the top tube in the catalog bike is channeled (appears to be, but tough to tell), and if the down tube has multiple channels (doesn't appear to have, but hard to tell definitively from the catalog pic). I think this guess is least likely, simply because it wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense for Colnago to give the Superissimo almost identical tubing shapes to those the Nuovo/Essa Mexico had.
I'd like to hear from the OP how the top tube on that frame is shaped.
1. Does the OP's frame have just a single channel in the top tube on each side, or more than one. If more than one, I'm sure it's an Essa Mexico:
https://www.raydobbins.com/colnago_essa/index
But admittedly, I can't tell from the OP's pics.
2. If only a single channel, it's very likely a Nuovo Mexico, as Gary suggests - my only hesitation being that all of Gary's pics appear to be of earlier bikes than the OP's - e.g. flat seatstay caps rather than the rounded one's the OP's bike has (and several of the linked bikes have) - which is significant in that the Essa Mexico replaced the Nuovo Mexico in the lineup. But if the OP's top tube only has a single channel per side, this is where I'm leaning.
3. The Superissimo guess is possible, if the top tube in the catalog bike is channeled (appears to be, but tough to tell), and if the down tube has multiple channels (doesn't appear to have, but hard to tell definitively from the catalog pic). I think this guess is least likely, simply because it wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense for Colnago to give the Superissimo almost identical tubing shapes to those the Nuovo/Essa Mexico had.
I'd like to hear from the OP how the top tube on that frame is shaped.
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08-13-11, 07:28 PM
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I still think it's the Superissimo. Notice the lack of chromed lugs, and what appears to be an SL (rather than SLX) decal in this pic:
The Colnago line during the '80s, was confusing, to say the least. Several of the better models had the crimped SL, from about '83-'86, before the Gilco set was used.
I think if "repechage" has a look, he can nail it.
The Colnago line during the '80s, was confusing, to say the least. Several of the better models had the crimped SL, from about '83-'86, before the Gilco set was used.
I think if "repechage" has a look, he can nail it.
I also think you are on to something Picchio Special. There is a lot of confusion of frame models around this era isn't there? With Mexico, Nuovo Mexico, Profil Nuovo Mexico and Essa Mexico all in the 'mix' and no real build time frame or clear serial numbering, Tullio really made it difficult for us bikeophiles. Perhaps he was just trying to discourage the 'illness' - and yet it seems to be on the increase.
I've still got my money on Nuovo Mexico (changed from Super) but I can see where you are coming from - and you do have a reputation of knowing what you're talking about (both you guys).
I think Chuck Schmidt and his mates did a very good job at putting together a Colnago timeline for the era preceding the '80's - I hope they expand their Colnago identification work to this next era.
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Now I've found this picture:
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago-88/16.jpg
I think this could be the right model name? Super Chorus, based on Columbus SL tube set. Could anyone confirm?
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago-88/16.jpg
I think this could be the right model name? Super Chorus, based on Columbus SL tube set. Could anyone confirm?
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