Trike specific road safety, concern
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Trike specific road safety, concern
My worst fear was realized yesterday while on a random road ride as I was climbing a rather steep section of road, very slowly, coming over a blind hill. A couple of vehicles met at the same moment as one was illegally passing me and nearly caused an accident. Unfortunate to say, but this condition exists several times no matter which way I leave the house. Overall I would call the area very conducive to trike riding, especially during the week days, but there is no way around my being met with this exact issue time and time again with either of the routes I use to leave.
My trike is flagged and I use blinkies. I always wear a brightly colored shirt while riding the bent on the road. At the time I was climbing I was practically in the ditch, but there was no shoulder to "retreat" to. I have been met with mostly positive experience with drivers on the road so far but have to admit I was a bit shaken by the encounter.
Is it one of those grit your teeth and hold on deals you just get "used to"?
My trike is flagged and I use blinkies. I always wear a brightly colored shirt while riding the bent on the road. At the time I was climbing I was practically in the ditch, but there was no shoulder to "retreat" to. I have been met with mostly positive experience with drivers on the road so far but have to admit I was a bit shaken by the encounter.
Is it one of those grit your teeth and hold on deals you just get "used to"?
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I doubt if I would ever get used to riding on truly dangerous roads with a trike. I've tried riding a few times on lightly traveled rural parts of my own state and in Utah and decided I would never do a long distance trip on any of those roads. Riding between a campground and a fishing lake was bad enough. It was just too nerve wracking. I've even seen a few large bicycle tour groups use the same roads in Utah but they were followed by a sag wagon that would prevent motorists from coming up behind the group and unexpectedly coming upon them. I pick and choose my roads carefully at home. Luckily there are multiple ways to get from one place to another and it is just not worth riding the worst of them.
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Take the lane if it's not safe to share the lane. If it's obvious they need to slow down, they will. Hugging the white line isn't safe, regardless of what you're riding.
I doubt it was illegal for a car to pass you. Most (maybe all) states allow cars to pass bicycles in the presence of a double yellow line. However, they must do so safely. It sounds like the driver you encountered wasn't being safe.
I doubt it was illegal for a car to pass you. Most (maybe all) states allow cars to pass bicycles in the presence of a double yellow line. However, they must do so safely. It sounds like the driver you encountered wasn't being safe.
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The car illegally passing you on a hill, in a place where the driver couldn't have possibly seen if the way ahead was clear, had nothing to do with being low or on a trike. It had to do with the driver being impatient enough to put your life at risk in order to save a few seconds. It's something that all of us have to live with, but never get used to.
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Take the lane if it's not safe to share the lane. If it's obvious they need to slow down, they will. Hugging the white line isn't safe, regardless of what you're riding.
I doubt it was illegal for a car to pass you. Most (maybe all) states allow cars to pass bicycles in the presence of a double yellow line. However, they must do so safely. It sounds like the driver you encountered wasn't being safe.
I doubt it was illegal for a car to pass you. Most (maybe all) states allow cars to pass bicycles in the presence of a double yellow line. However, they must do so safely. It sounds like the driver you encountered wasn't being safe.
I am NEVER a fan of "take the lane". The law states that you ride as far right as is safe and practical. Had I been an inch further over I would have been involved in a very messy front seat to a head on collision beside and above me.
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We'll just have to disagree then. I have fewer close passes when I'm controlling the lane, and it's legal for me to do so when required for my safety. Personally, I wouldn't ride on the road you describe if my only option was to hug the white line.
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My state's laws (Michigan) specifically allow me to take the full lane anytime it's not wide enough to safely share; which is most of the time.
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As for your conclusion, in general, I'll disagree. On windy roads, by riding where they would have to cross over, I find cars are less likely to try and do something stupid. If they do regardless, at least you have space to move out of their way (where as if you're hugging the white line, you're out of space).
On windy roads where I can see it's not safe to pass, I'll gesture this to the cars behind me (I'll stick out my left arm with palm toward them and shake my head no). Yes, they are free to disregard this, but I find that almost all cars wait when I do this.
For whatever it's worth, I don't think this is a trike issue, or even a 'bent issue (although I agree that many trikes are lower and need to take more care to be visible).
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It's gonna happen, trike or not, hill or not, taking the lane or not.
Last year I was in a flat section and had just rounded a corner, taking the lane to try and influence car drivers to only overtake when they can safely do so in an open oncoming lane. Well a truck blew around me and despite the fact that there was perfect visibility around the corner he passed around wide completely into the oncoming lane, as he should of but there was an car coming. Coming very close and this dude not only passed me but STAYED in the left lane as I watched the oncoming car squeal his brakes and have to jink hard to HIS left right into MY lane. I watched from the ditch I pulled into as the car and truck passed each other on the wrong sides and the truck just sort of meandered back into the right lane about 100 feet later. Luckily the "ditch" was extremely shallow and mowed lawn so I didn't lose control and could exit quickly.
It happens, a LOT. Just keep your whits about you and watch out like a hawk, keep the lane as much as possible so that you DO have somewhere to go to, don't allow yourself to be pinned against the curb.
Ride safe friend!
Last year I was in a flat section and had just rounded a corner, taking the lane to try and influence car drivers to only overtake when they can safely do so in an open oncoming lane. Well a truck blew around me and despite the fact that there was perfect visibility around the corner he passed around wide completely into the oncoming lane, as he should of but there was an car coming. Coming very close and this dude not only passed me but STAYED in the left lane as I watched the oncoming car squeal his brakes and have to jink hard to HIS left right into MY lane. I watched from the ditch I pulled into as the car and truck passed each other on the wrong sides and the truck just sort of meandered back into the right lane about 100 feet later. Luckily the "ditch" was extremely shallow and mowed lawn so I didn't lose control and could exit quickly.
It happens, a LOT. Just keep your whits about you and watch out like a hawk, keep the lane as much as possible so that you DO have somewhere to go to, don't allow yourself to be pinned against the curb.
Ride safe friend!
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I always try to ride about 6" to 1' from the white line in order to get out of the debris and to leave myself a bit of wiggle room in a situation like this. I feel that is safe and practical in most situations. The reason I was on the ditch in the first place was because it was evident in my rear view that the guy wasn't going to leave room for the three of us. Had I stayed where I was the guy would have swiped me as he realized the car was there. It was one of those one in a million situations that could happen any time we ride...it just DID this time.
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The Law states you must stay to the right and NOT take the lane if the traffic is moving FASTER than you on your Human powered vehicle.
You may only 'take the lane' IF you can keep up with traffic flow..
Besides with people texting I will not take any lane, and I am not on a low tadpole flagged or not....
You may only 'take the lane' IF you can keep up with traffic flow..
Besides with people texting I will not take any lane, and I am not on a low tadpole flagged or not....
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In the US, the law is different in every state. That being said
Wrong.
Nope.
Your interpretation would be deadly.
IF it is not safe for a car and you to occupy the same lane, you should just let yourself get run over?
So you think that texters won't hit you because your at the side of the road? Part of lane position is for making yourself more visible. On curvy roads, sitting at the edge can be a great way to get hit by "texters".
Nope.
Your interpretation would be deadly.
IF it is not safe for a car and you to occupy the same lane, you should just let yourself get run over?
So you think that texters won't hit you because your at the side of the road? Part of lane position is for making yourself more visible. On curvy roads, sitting at the edge can be a great way to get hit by "texters".
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Cplager I'm digging for where I got that, It is 'Miss Worded', my bad.
https://www.transitmiami.com/fdot/tak...a-bicycle-laws
https://www.transitmiami.com/fdot/tak...a-bicycle-laws
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In Illinois the law states that cyclists must ride as close and practicable as safe to the right hand curve or edge of roadway, except under certain conditions. If you are in the middle of the lane it will all depend on how the LEO interrupts the law if you get a ticket or not. https://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/5-035.pdf
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You take a lane down here your hit,
You move to the right they miss you by inches,
A bike lane,, Pfft,, I jumped out of one and onto a sidewalk once with no time to spare..
I have to say My Interpretation has kept me alive so far, never been hit yet, I will stay to the right XD
You move to the right they miss you by inches,
A bike lane,, Pfft,, I jumped out of one and onto a sidewalk once with no time to spare..
I have to say My Interpretation has kept me alive so far, never been hit yet, I will stay to the right XD
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OP, everyone has roads that they choose Not to ride on.
You found one.
You found one.
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Cplager I'm digging for where I got that, It is 'Miss Worded', my bad.
https://www.transitmiami.com/fdot/tak...a-bicycle-laws
https://www.transitmiami.com/fdot/tak...a-bicycle-laws
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, or substandard-width lane, that makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge
Where they go out of their way to explain substandard width:
For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
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Where you were wasn't safe, and was hardly practical. Taking the lane forces a full lane-switch by drivers, something that driver probably would have thought twice about. Hugging the line invites drivers to try to squeeze by.
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You take a lane down here your hit,
You move to the right they miss you by inches,
A bike lane,, Pfft,, I jumped out of one and onto a sidewalk once with no time to spare..
I have to say My Interpretation has kept me alive so far, never been hit yet, I will stay to the right XD
You move to the right they miss you by inches,
A bike lane,, Pfft,, I jumped out of one and onto a sidewalk once with no time to spare..
I have to say My Interpretation has kept me alive so far, never been hit yet, I will stay to the right XD
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https://bicyclesafe.com/
For what it may be worth, even though I use my lane position to give other road users an indication of whether or not the lane is wide enough for safe sharing and strongly advocate the practice, if my speed were low enough I could well have been found in the same unhappy position you were.
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Got my Bran spankin new NightRider Lumina 550 Headlight,, Going out at 5 AM tomorrow XD
My 'Pair' of CatEye 150 candle power triple LED lights we not cutting it..
The Lumina 550 on medium puts out 250 Lumens I think,, should be plenty.
https://www.niterider.com/performance...50-bike-light/
On a walk test the Lumina on low put out about 10 times the light of BOTH of the CatEyes, they had a total of 300 candlepower..
Two different ratings I know, my best estimated comparison would be,
the Twin CatEyes put out about 20 Lumens, maybe 30..
My 'Pair' of CatEye 150 candle power triple LED lights we not cutting it..
The Lumina 550 on medium puts out 250 Lumens I think,, should be plenty.
https://www.niterider.com/performance...50-bike-light/
On a walk test the Lumina on low put out about 10 times the light of BOTH of the CatEyes, they had a total of 300 candlepower..
Two different ratings I know, my best estimated comparison would be,
the Twin CatEyes put out about 20 Lumens, maybe 30..
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Just as a follow up....
After reading advice given in this thread and having been following a couple of triking journals on CGOAB I decided to take a more "aggressive" (possessive?) stance on my place in the lane. Instead of hugging the line I have been riding out in the right tire track about a foot off the line at most times when there is no (wide) shoulder present. I have noted in the couple of rides I have done this that cars are more prone to slow down behind me and wait to pass rather than trying to squeeze by (as was mentioned I believe). Even the route that prompted me to start the thread was much less stressful, along with the alternate route to/from my neighborhood.
Thanks for the tip
After reading advice given in this thread and having been following a couple of triking journals on CGOAB I decided to take a more "aggressive" (possessive?) stance on my place in the lane. Instead of hugging the line I have been riding out in the right tire track about a foot off the line at most times when there is no (wide) shoulder present. I have noted in the couple of rides I have done this that cars are more prone to slow down behind me and wait to pass rather than trying to squeeze by (as was mentioned I believe). Even the route that prompted me to start the thread was much less stressful, along with the alternate route to/from my neighborhood.
Thanks for the tip
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Just as a follow up....
After reading advice given in this thread and having been following a couple of triking journals on CGOAB I decided to take a more "aggressive" (possessive?) stance on my place in the lane. Instead of hugging the line I have been riding out in the right tire track about a foot off the line at most times when there is no (wide) shoulder present. I have noted in the couple of rides I have done this that cars are more prone to slow down behind me and wait to pass rather than trying to squeeze by (as was mentioned I believe). Even the route that prompted me to start the thread was much less stressful, along with the alternate route to/from my neighborhood.
Thanks for the tip
After reading advice given in this thread and having been following a couple of triking journals on CGOAB I decided to take a more "aggressive" (possessive?) stance on my place in the lane. Instead of hugging the line I have been riding out in the right tire track about a foot off the line at most times when there is no (wide) shoulder present. I have noted in the couple of rides I have done this that cars are more prone to slow down behind me and wait to pass rather than trying to squeeze by (as was mentioned I believe). Even the route that prompted me to start the thread was much less stressful, along with the alternate route to/from my neighborhood.
Thanks for the tip
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I'm relatively new to trike riding, but here are my observations so far:
Recumbents are novelty out here in central Texas, and a motorists generally give me a very wide berth as they think that I take up more space than I really do. That's a good thing!
But, I suspect that motorists (as well as serious cyclists), see me and think that I'm somehow handicapped. Some motorists think that I shouldn't be on their road (go to YouTube and search for "Recumbent Has A Close Encounter With A Cement Truck" - I posted that yesterday.
Living in Sun City, I have to deal with more elderly motorists and golf cart drivers who leave their turn signals on, don't wait their turn at intersections, etc. and I get advice/grief from them who insist that I should have a flag on my trike. I do fly a flag, but only to appease my wife. My view is that if a motorist can't see me without a flag, they're not going to see me with one.
But then, I have to consider the possibility of being in an accident - not having a flag my be construed by investigating police as a contributing factor, especially if the motorist claims he/she didn't see me. So, there it is. But at least I can sport a little attitude - I live in Texas, but was born in Mexico, so I fly a Mexican flag! AARRIIBAAAA!!!!
Recumbents are novelty out here in central Texas, and a motorists generally give me a very wide berth as they think that I take up more space than I really do. That's a good thing!
But, I suspect that motorists (as well as serious cyclists), see me and think that I'm somehow handicapped. Some motorists think that I shouldn't be on their road (go to YouTube and search for "Recumbent Has A Close Encounter With A Cement Truck" - I posted that yesterday.
Living in Sun City, I have to deal with more elderly motorists and golf cart drivers who leave their turn signals on, don't wait their turn at intersections, etc. and I get advice/grief from them who insist that I should have a flag on my trike. I do fly a flag, but only to appease my wife. My view is that if a motorist can't see me without a flag, they're not going to see me with one.
But then, I have to consider the possibility of being in an accident - not having a flag my be construed by investigating police as a contributing factor, especially if the motorist claims he/she didn't see me. So, there it is. But at least I can sport a little attitude - I live in Texas, but was born in Mexico, so I fly a Mexican flag! AARRIIBAAAA!!!!
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In Illinois the law states that cyclists must ride as close and practicable as safe to the right hand curve or edge of roadway, except under certain conditions. If you are in the middle of the lane it will all depend on how the LEO interrupts the law if you get a ticket or not. https://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/5-035.pdf