Should I be braking all the way down a steep slope?
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Should I be braking all the way down a steep slope?
Hi all. I'm planning to commute to work everyday on a foldable bike. There's a portion of my route which is a steep downhill about 50m on a pavement. I've been braking practically all the way down in order to keep the speed to a comfortable level. Will this be killing my brakes since I'm doing this everyday?
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They are going to wear faster than they would on a similar distance of flat ground. But I would not consider it excessive. My biggest concern with riding brakes down a hill is overheating a rim and blowing a tire, but we are talking kilometers of downhills not meters. I think you will be fine, just keep and eye on the brake and rim wear.
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It's a lot more fun if you coast.
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If you are squeamish about the speed and concerned about going through parts.. walk the bike down the hill. I've had to do it, though I was on my back up bike (son's BMX), I'm a Clyde, and the bike has just the u-brake in the back...
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Brake pads are disposable items. If you're not comfortable coasting down the hill, then a couple fewer weeks of life before you have to replace the pads beats the heck out of losing control and crashing.
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50 meters/metres? Doesn't seem long enough for for heat buildup or other issues. By all means, use the brakes to stay under control.
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Pedaled too far.
It's not a real down hill if pedaling makes you go faster.
To some extent I think that braking on a hill is more dangerous. Yes your speed is lower, but the physics are more complex. And of course, the answer is not always the same. One road nearby drops 266 feet in half a mile. Most times I just sail down. But at night, or when there is ice on the road, I'm more cautious.
To some extent I think that braking on a hill is more dangerous. Yes your speed is lower, but the physics are more complex. And of course, the answer is not always the same. One road nearby drops 266 feet in half a mile. Most times I just sail down. But at night, or when there is ice on the road, I'm more cautious.
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Braking for 50 meters, even if you do it every day, is not going even wear your pads that much. We're talking 50 meters, right? And if you're on the sidewalk, you definitely should be going slow. It pisses people off when bikes ride fast on the sidewalk, plus going fast down a sidewalk and then careening out into the street at the bottom of the hill or crossing over cross streets in a crosswalk at high speed is a GREAT way to get hit.
Using your brakes is what wears them down, but you're talking about a fairly short stretch and it probably won't wear them any faster than using them the rest of the time.
Using your brakes is what wears them down, but you're talking about a fairly short stretch and it probably won't wear them any faster than using them the rest of the time.
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Thanks guys for your help. Quick question - is it better in terms of control and stability to tap and let go on the brakes, or just keep them on the whole time while going downhill? Keeping them on to slow down feels more natural but some people mentioned the "press and let go" method as well.
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Boy, I'm embarrased. Guess the speed affected my memory of the distance. I checked Google Maps and its actually 200m. On a sidewalk.
Thanks guys for your help. Quick question - is it better in terms of control and stability to tap and let go on the brakes, or just keep them on the whole time while going downhill? Keeping them on to slow down feels more natural but some people mentioned the "press and let go" method as well.
Thanks guys for your help. Quick question - is it better in terms of control and stability to tap and let go on the brakes, or just keep them on the whole time while going downhill? Keeping them on to slow down feels more natural but some people mentioned the "press and let go" method as well.
Whatever it takes to stay in control. You're not going to be able to overheat the rims in 200m, so it doesn't really matter which you do. If you're descending a long mountain pass and need to shed speed, then you need to brake intermittently or you'll overheat the wheels, causing the air in the tube to expand, and risk a blowout. Plus, it becomes more difficult to module your brakes when everything gets really hot.
But again - 200m is not even remotely close to having to worry about that.
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If you are on a sidewalk, and you feel, even the slightest bit, like you are near the limits of your control, you need to dismount and walk your bike. Really. Even if there is never anybody on that stretch.
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Agreed. On a road, it would depend on what was at the bottom. Foldable bikes probably don't handle and corner very well. But on a sidewalk? And commuting? Sidewalks are there for a reason. Rural, sparsely populated areas rarely have them (at least here in the States) and if there are houses along the descent, there's too muck risk of someone stepping out of a yard onto the sidewalk for me to coast down on a bike. Or even brake all the way down.
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If you're on a sidewalk, you need to stay at a sidewalk speed. You know how you probably get pissed off if you're walking down the sidewalk and some punk goes whizzing around you on a skateboard? If you are riding faster than 5mph on a sidewalk, you are that guy. To stay at a controlled, steady 3-5mph, you will need to brake steadily the whole way down. You're not going to overheat the rims at that speed and you're not going to put excessive wear on the pads over only 200m, and you're not even going to lose that much time versus just riding down at normal speed. But if you're riding down the sidewalk, ride at a sidewalk speed.
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I was using my rear (disc) brake as a drag brake earlier this winter to keep from building up too much speed on an icy downhill run, when all of a sudden I had nothing happening back there.
Turns out one of the pads fell out of the caliper.
Just sayin'
Turns out one of the pads fell out of the caliper.
Just sayin'
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I just reread your post and one question,, is the rest of your commute also on the sidewalk and ofcourse the next question is ,,why??
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It all depends on how hard you apply the brakes. If you're just very lightly applying them, I really don't see a problem. If, on the other hand, you're applying them fairly hard, that would create potential issues for premature brake wear. 50m isn't a long distance, so I think you should be OK either way.
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What is at the bottom of the hill?
I can think of one where anyone who brakes is a wuss. But that is wide open and a half mile runout.
I can think of far more that end in a stop sign or stop light. for those staying under control means being able to stop at the bottom of the hill. Sometimes that means going much slower than I would like.
I can think of one where anyone who brakes is a wuss. But that is wide open and a half mile runout.
I can think of far more that end in a stop sign or stop light. for those staying under control means being able to stop at the bottom of the hill. Sometimes that means going much slower than I would like.
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What is at the bottom of the hill?
I can think of one where anyone who brakes is a wuss. But that is wide open and a half mile runout.
I can think of far more that end in a stop sign or stop light. for those staying under control means being able to stop at the bottom of the hill. Sometimes that means going much slower than I would like.
I can think of one where anyone who brakes is a wuss. But that is wide open and a half mile runout.
I can think of far more that end in a stop sign or stop light. for those staying under control means being able to stop at the bottom of the hill. Sometimes that means going much slower than I would like.
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It is called "feathering the brakes" and here is a link to the technique: https://revolutionbicyclesnc.com/2013...ing-technique/
200 meters works out to 650 feet in the English system so it is a short hill you are describing compared to what you find in the mountains in the western US. I had a kid who decided he wasn't going to use the brakes on a descent from Dante's View (~5300') to Furnace Creek Campground (-200') in Death Valley. It descends about half the total in the first couple of miles. He ran off the road into the desert at the second turn about three minutes into the ride. So much for not using brakes being so much fun!
200 meters works out to 650 feet in the English system so it is a short hill you are describing compared to what you find in the mountains in the western US. I had a kid who decided he wasn't going to use the brakes on a descent from Dante's View (~5300') to Furnace Creek Campground (-200') in Death Valley. It descends about half the total in the first couple of miles. He ran off the road into the desert at the second turn about three minutes into the ride. So much for not using brakes being so much fun!
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I do what my survival instincts tell me. On my 20" folder, I would modulate the brakes to keep a reasonable speed.