Does the last vestige of C&V prejudice lay with the steel rim?
10-23-14, 07:33 PM
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C&V Prejudice against Steel rims...I think not as much as you may want....Shorties are more hated it seems
except I kinda like 'em
except I kinda like 'em
10-23-14, 08:04 PM
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I like shorties as a fashion statement; but not so much as a fender. But then I do a lot of riding on wet ground.
Shorties are kind of like the non-prescription tortoiseshell or black eyeglass frames of the cycling world. Sort of a nerd-chic affectation.
Shorties are kind of like the non-prescription tortoiseshell or black eyeglass frames of the cycling world. Sort of a nerd-chic affectation.
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10-23-14, 09:11 PM
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If I had shorties on a bike, I would leave them on, til I thought I found something better. And most people would be the same, right? So you may have a preference, but not a prejudice against them.
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This favourite of mine is a real mish-mash of materials, alloy frame, steel wheels, alloy CR and cranks and one of those crazy steel quill seat posts.
But its different, it is unique, and that sparkly dork disc is part of the statement. I present: 1976 Supercycle Excalibur (nee Bridgestone)
But its different, it is unique, and that sparkly dork disc is part of the statement. I present: 1976 Supercycle Excalibur (nee Bridgestone)
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10-24-14, 10:46 AM
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Shorties. Ugh. Yes, it's a prejudice. But it's not a C&V prejudice. I hate new ones and old ones equally.
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Low end crap that "rare" or "desirable" just because it is old.
Stem shifters
Steel rims
Turkey levers
Kick stands
Gas pipe frames
Dork disks
Reflectors
"Schwinn Approved"
Schwinn EF frames. Boat anchors. Flexy boat anchors. Over priced flexy boat anchors.
Modolo "sintered" (stone?) pads
Brooks saddles. You can spend your season/summer/month/whatever, breaking it in. I'll take something that already feels comfortable.
Large frame geometry. Why do all older bikes seem to top out with a TT length at 56-58?
Stem shifters
Steel rims
Turkey levers
Kick stands
Gas pipe frames
Dork disks
Reflectors
"Schwinn Approved"
Schwinn EF frames. Boat anchors. Flexy boat anchors. Over priced flexy boat anchors.
Modolo "sintered" (stone?) pads
Brooks saddles. You can spend your season/summer/month/whatever, breaking it in. I'll take something that already feels comfortable.
Large frame geometry. Why do all older bikes seem to top out with a TT length at 56-58?
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I like reflectors, I just added rear reflectors to my 620 and 720 (built on reflector mount on rack), if I can do a mount on the front racks- I'll do front reflectors. I leave them on pedals and wheels as well. I generally don't like getting hit by cars at night.
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10-24-14, 01:01 PM
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[QUOTE=Rocket-Sauce;17246446]Low end crap that "rare" or "desirable" just because it is old.
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Gas pipe frames
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I'll happily take an old french gas pipe tubing frameset off your hands that you have lying around which happens to be in my size,
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Gas pipe frames
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I'll happily take an old french gas pipe tubing frameset off your hands that you have lying around which happens to be in my size,
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10-24-14, 02:39 PM
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So much for encouraging progress but in the mid 1930's Mavic was testing (apparently cheating) in the TdF using aluminum rims painted like wood. Aluminum rims were not permitted and yet nearly half the weight of the steel.
10-24-14, 02:51 PM
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[MENTION=111424]Rocket-Sauce[/MENTION]: Man, I think my Schwinn Super Sport has about half of the things you listed 
. I can see your point about hating some of that stuff. When you see over priced bike after over priced bike and the majority are Schwinns, it can get annoying. The funny thing is, that the cool ones often fly under the radar because most of those jokers are clueless about them.
. I can see your point about hating some of that stuff. When you see over priced bike after over priced bike and the majority are Schwinns, it can get annoying. The funny thing is, that the cool ones often fly under the radar because most of those jokers are clueless about them.
10-24-14, 02:57 PM
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10-24-14, 03:14 PM
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Dang, I should just ship all that stuff to you. I tossed an '80s Nishiki Custom Sport last week that had all that stuff on it.
Man, I don't mind stem shifters, kind of like the turkey levers (on the bike I put them on) and I like the Suntour chrome dork disk on my Trek 400- I'm going to look for a few more.
I like reflectors, I just added rear reflectors to my 620 and 720 (built on reflector mount on rack), if I can do a mount on the front racks- I'll do front reflectors. I leave them on pedals and wheels as well. I generally don't like getting hit by cars at night.
I like reflectors, I just added rear reflectors to my 620 and 720 (built on reflector mount on rack), if I can do a mount on the front racks- I'll do front reflectors. I leave them on pedals and wheels as well. I generally don't like getting hit by cars at night.
10-24-14, 04:10 PM
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I rode one once, for a few seconds. There's a reason we left them behind. They're terrible. Their replacements, bicycles with equal-sized wheels and a chain drive were called safety bicycles, and for good reason.I don't use dork disks, even though they work.
I tend not to put (or leave) reflectors on my bikes, even though they are actually a very good idea. Sometimes I put 3M tape on instead, and it is virtually weightless.
I don't mind old seat clamps at all. They're fine by me.
I don't use wing nuts on wheels. Maybe I would on a front wheel but certainly not on a rear wheel on a bike with horizontal dropouts.
I don't like tubular tires, though I have them on my track bike, for racing.
One thing about steel rims, they have a really annoying way of denting that rarely happens to aluminum rims. I don't like chromed steel rims, either, but I'm leaving them on my 3-speeds, because there isn't enough reason to change them. Also, some of the chrome came off, and the result is that they brake a lot better.
I used to eschew stem shifters, but actually, they're pretty good. You just have to put aside the snobbery around them.
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10-24-14, 04:47 PM
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I don't understand the hatred for safety levers and stem shifters; unless your main objective is to look cool, you never ride a bicycle at a moderate pace, or if you don't know how to set up your brake pads so that the safety levers work. Clearly there are some bikes that are best without those items, but IMO, on the right bike they are both appropriate (like many commuter or touring bikes).
The disdain for the electro-forged Schwinn's is also unwarranted. I especially love the kickstand on my Varsity. I put that kickstand down when I get where I am going, and come h### or high water its still standing where I left when when I am ready to go again.
The disdain for the electro-forged Schwinn's is also unwarranted. I especially love the kickstand on my Varsity. I put that kickstand down when I get where I am going, and come h### or high water its still standing where I left when when I am ready to go again.
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10-24-14, 05:05 PM
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I think I'm the only one to mention this so far, and maybe I'm the only one who dislikes them, but I've always had a problem with steel one-piece cranks and their corresponding "bottom brackets". However, I do like some of the interesting chainrings you sometimes see in conjunction with those cranks.
Basically I hold grudges against most low-end bike stuff in general, vintage or modern. In many cases I'd rather just walk.
I've also never found a pair of vintage side-pull, single pivot brakes that I like.
Basically I hold grudges against most low-end bike stuff in general, vintage or modern. In many cases I'd rather just walk.
I've also never found a pair of vintage side-pull, single pivot brakes that I like.
10-24-14, 05:13 PM
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10-24-14, 05:26 PM
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@turky lurkey @The Golden Boy: Maybe we can band together to make some of these guys throw up in their mouths. I'll start.
Turkey levers-check, stem shifters-check, Ashtabula crank (with guard)-check, Brooks B15 with clamp-check, kickstand-check, Schwinn Approved-check, Claw derailleur-check, Electro forged-nope. Sorry I missed it, but I need to install a huge dork disk.
Turkey levers-check, stem shifters-check, Ashtabula crank (with guard)-check, Brooks B15 with clamp-check, kickstand-check, Schwinn Approved-check, Claw derailleur-check, Electro forged-nope. Sorry I missed it, but I need to install a huge dork disk.
10-24-14, 05:42 PM
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Maybe we can band together to make some of these guys throw up in their mouths. I'll start.
Turkey levers-check, stem shifters-check, Ashtabula crank (with guard)-check, Brooks B15 with clamp-check, kickstand-check, Schwinn Approved-check, Claw derailleur-check, Electro forged-nope. Sorry I missed it, but I need to install a huge dork disk.
Turkey levers-check, stem shifters-check, Ashtabula crank (with guard)-check, Brooks B15 with clamp-check, kickstand-check, Schwinn Approved-check, Claw derailleur-check, Electro forged-nope. Sorry I missed it, but I need to install a huge dork disk.
Actually, those are both very handsome bikes.
