Bus driver road rage on my commute.
11-14-14, 01:04 PM
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11-14-14, 01:08 PM
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Complaining about others being ignorant of the basic rules of the road while being ignorant of the basic rules of the road.
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ORS 814.430 - Improper use of lanes - 2013 Oregon Revised Statutes
Just about every state has this exception.
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ORS 814.430 - Improper use of lanes - 2013 Oregon Revised Statutes
A person is not in violation of the offense under this section if the person is not operating a bicycle as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway under any of the following circumstances:
(b) When preparing to execute a left turn.
(b) When preparing to execute a left turn.
11-14-14, 01:25 PM
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11-14-14, 01:29 PM
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Here's my shoulder check as seen in the video at 0:08
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11-14-14, 01:30 PM
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Yeah...for sure:
*Be polite!
*Always smile!
*Share the lane!
*Don’t dress funny!
*Physics always wins!
*They only honk or buzz you because you scared them!
*Have some empathy for the inconvenience you are causing!
*Be polite!
*Always smile!
*Share the lane!
*Don’t dress funny!
*Physics always wins!
*They only honk or buzz you because you scared them!
*Have some empathy for the inconvenience you are causing!
11-14-14, 01:51 PM
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If I was that far back in the left lane, couldn't the bus driver have passed me in the other lane?
Based on the video, which is probably not enough to base an opinion on, I think he was in the left lane earlier than necessary, especially since he is by far the slower vehicle. Do you agree?
11-14-14, 01:51 PM
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As far as your video is concerned, I think the bus driver was annoyed because he didn't know what your intentions were. Did you signal a left turn to indicate why you were in that lane as opposed to the slower lane?
11-14-14, 02:03 PM
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I think he was in the left lane earlier than necessary, especially since he is by far the slower vehicle. Do you agree?
IMO, slower moving cyclists often need to make a move towards the left earlier than faster moving vehicles. I will *always* put my personal safety above the convenience of a fellow road user. Therefore, I have absolutely no issue with causing traffic to slow for a minute or two if it allows me to make what I *perceive* to be a safer turn.
11-14-14, 02:09 PM
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Seriously? Do you really think that a school bus, (likely full of kids) should have to move from the lane he's turning from, and into the right lane to have to go around a cyclist that has much better visibility and is much more nimble than a bus is?
11-14-14, 02:13 PM
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Completely missed the context. Apologies.
I disagree.
IMO, slower moving cyclists often need to make a move towards the left earlier than faster moving vehicles. I will *always* put my personal safety above the convenience of a fellow road user. Therefore, I have absolutely no issue with causing traffic to slow for a minute or two if it allows me to make what I *perceive* to be a safer turn.
I disagree.
IMO, slower moving cyclists often need to make a move towards the left earlier than faster moving vehicles. I will *always* put my personal safety above the convenience of a fellow road user. Therefore, I have absolutely no issue with causing traffic to slow for a minute or two if it allows me to make what I *perceive* to be a safer turn.
But to each his own riding style. The OP survived and learned that some on this forum disagree with him being in the left lane that early.
11-14-14, 02:19 PM
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11-14-14, 02:43 PM
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I disagree.
IMO, slower moving cyclists often need to make a move towards the left earlier than faster moving vehicles. I will *always* put my personal safety above the convenience of a fellow road user. Therefore, I have absolutely no issue with causing traffic to slow for a minute or two if it allows me to make what I *perceive* to be a safer turn.
I don't see the advantage of creating pointless conflict, whether I'm on the road as a pedestrian, cyclist, motorcyclist, or trucker, I still consider myself just another road user the same as everyone else. Every user and user group has their own unique set of wants, needs, limitations, and abilities, it just makes sense to put forward a reasonable effort to be cooperative with others for everyone's mutual benefit.
11-14-14, 03:38 PM
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If traffic is generally clear on a multi-lane road, when I'm in my car, I typically drive in the right lane until a short distance before my left turn, at which point I move to the left lane, and then move to the left turn lane if there is one.
My wife, on the other hand, while drive for MILES in the left lane, just because her next turn is a left turn, which might be 3 or 4 miles away. She has this fear of changing lanes, making huge head turns before changing lanes, and she always gets nervous when doing so. And she doesn't drive fast, so faster traffic passes her on the right. Do you think that's courteous? I sure don't. It bugs the hell out of me when I ride with her.
11-14-14, 08:21 PM
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Well, let's not go to extremes. In some places, honking is a big deal; in others, it happens all the time. If you're not used to honking or being honked at, then it can seem aggressive. However, both where I grew up (NOLA) and in China honking is normal, so I don't care.
As long as cars aren't driving dangerously, i.e. tailgating super close, cutting a cyclist off, or trying to squeeze a cyclist off the road/into parked cars, then I could not care less if they honk or slam on the gas when they pass me.
As long as cars aren't driving dangerously, i.e. tailgating super close, cutting a cyclist off, or trying to squeeze a cyclist off the road/into parked cars, then I could not care less if they honk or slam on the gas when they pass me.
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11-14-14, 08:49 PM
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Please forgive my suspicious and contrary nature, but I believe school buses run on fairly tight and regular schedules, at least around here. The OP is commuting on what I would assume to be a fairly regular schedule, is it possible that the bus driver has previously had interaction with the OP's commuting habits, possibly at the same intersection?
11-14-14, 09:04 PM
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Please forgive my suspicious and contrary nature, but I believe school buses run on fairly tight and regular schedules, at least around here. The OP is commuting on what I would assume to be a fairly regular schedule, is it possible that the bus driver has previously had interaction with the OP's commuting habits, possibly at the same intersection?
11-14-14, 09:16 PM
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I believe honking your horn at all here in IN is illegal except in an emergency, of course no enforcement, I only honk at geese or farm animals - never a human.
11-14-14, 09:39 PM
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These threads fascinate me.
From my perspective the cyclist with the camera usually either goes out of his/her way to encourage conflict or takes great umbrage over a non-issue. (in this case we're all in the vapors because a vehicle honked). I expect universal condemnation, since in my opinion the film leaves no doubt .... and yet..... several people side with the, in my humble opinion, entitled cyclist. Sort of enlightens me to other ways of thinking........ sort of has me second guessing what I "know" to be right....sort of scares me as to where the world is headed..
The number of people siding with the guy who wasn't courteous enough to pass behind the pedestrian in another recent thread blew my mind.
edit - to OP - next time just stick your left arm out to signal a turn. (your shadow is visible through most of the video and if you did signal it's not apparent - drivers can't read your mind - if they know your intentions they're usually pretty chill)
From my perspective the cyclist with the camera usually either goes out of his/her way to encourage conflict or takes great umbrage over a non-issue. (in this case we're all in the vapors because a vehicle honked). I expect universal condemnation, since in my opinion the film leaves no doubt .... and yet..... several people side with the, in my humble opinion, entitled cyclist. Sort of enlightens me to other ways of thinking........ sort of has me second guessing what I "know" to be right....sort of scares me as to where the world is headed..
The number of people siding with the guy who wasn't courteous enough to pass behind the pedestrian in another recent thread blew my mind.
edit - to OP - next time just stick your left arm out to signal a turn. (your shadow is visible through most of the video and if you did signal it's not apparent - drivers can't read your mind - if they know your intentions they're usually pretty chill)
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11-14-14, 09:42 PM
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+1 even the honking doesn't really qualify as "Road Rage" maybe mild annoyance, but he didn't seem aggressive in the video and even gave you room as he passed.
11-14-14, 11:27 PM
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I can be quite a hole about taking the lane but when I saw the video my initial reaction was why on earth is this guy in the left lane for so long. Why encourage conflict? You seriously filed a complaint after this? Why anger every bus driver in the area when this guy says that after giving you ample room when he passed, you sent in a complaint?
You are massively slower and less horsepower than he is. You're a kin to people toodling along in the left lane on Interstates and not allowing the long line of people behind you to pass. You didn't need to be in the left lane. Don't get over there until you need to. Let others use it until you need it.
You are massively slower and less horsepower than he is. You're a kin to people toodling along in the left lane on Interstates and not allowing the long line of people behind you to pass. You didn't need to be in the left lane. Don't get over there until you need to. Let others use it until you need it.
