Flat Pedal Afficionados Probably Shouldn't Look At This
#5
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This one comes up every few decades. First one I'm aware of dates from the thirties. So far none of them have revolutionized cycling. But then, cyclists have never been as gullible as they are now, so maybe the time has come - assuming the thing is obscenely expensive and can be had in kit-matching colors.
#7
That's nothing! During the NYC Century, there was this contingent of folks on those big ol' eliptical glider contraptions.
Aside from looking spectacularly dorky, the awkwardness of having to carry those things up steps onto bridges and such as we had to do.... What was going through their heads?
Aside from looking spectacularly dorky, the awkwardness of having to carry those things up steps onto bridges and such as we had to do.... What was going through their heads?
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This one comes up every few decades. First one I'm aware of dates from the thirties. So far none of them have revolutionized cycling. But then, cyclists have never been as gullible as they are now, so maybe the time has come - assuming the thing is obscenely expensive and can be had in kit-matching colors.
#9
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The idea is to train yourself to completely unload the upstroke, I think. I'm not sure how valuable that is, but that's the idea.
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The short story is that if you are new to road cycling or have a crummy pedal stroke, PowerCranks can make a difference. They can improve your pedal stroke and vastly increase your pain tolerance. If you are an accomplished rider, probably not worth it.
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#15
Insane concept to me. Never heard of it before, maybe because I haven't been around since the '30s. I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything about there being any purpose to spinning the NDS other than to keep momentum with the DS. Does the NDS actually put any pressure on the crank/drivetrain?
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As long as I started on a downhill and never had to stop I could ride those with flats.
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Oh, and I originally expected synchronized cranks, and was wondering how one would do a standing hill climb.
Here is the company, PowerCranks
And, a person that made a Homebuilt Independent Crankset
On another cycling website, some users insist that nobody pulls up on the cranks, despite many individuals that effectively do it.
Anyway, it would certainly be an interesting setup, and would at least discourage a person from getting lazy and not at least pulling one's pedals back to the top of the stroke.
Here is the company, PowerCranks
And, a person that made a Homebuilt Independent Crankset
On another cycling website, some users insist that nobody pulls up on the cranks, despite many individuals that effectively do it.
Anyway, it would certainly be an interesting setup, and would at least discourage a person from getting lazy and not at least pulling one's pedals back to the top of the stroke.
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Insane concept to me. Never heard of it before, maybe because I haven't been around since the '30s. I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything about there being any purpose to spinning the NDS other than to keep momentum with the DS. Does the NDS actually put any pressure on the crank/drivetrain?
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Hey, they come in square taper! Ugliest imaginable spider, however.
Tentatively on my lottery winning shopping list.
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Insane concept to me. Never heard of it before, maybe because I haven't been around since the '30s. I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything about there being any purpose to spinning the NDS other than to keep momentum with the DS. Does the NDS actually put any pressure on the crank/drivetrain?
If you keep tension with the chainrings and chain, then the crank arms would more or less stay in the right place.
The point of the OP's note is that if you ride flats, then pushing down on one side raises the other side, and your feet stay on the pedals and the crank turns. If you have clips or cleats, you can pull up with the opposite side, although apparently it isn't actively being encouraged now. With this set of pedals, if one doesn't pull up at least with the same speed the opposite side is pushing down, then one will end up with a mess... so it will train at least some pulling up, whether that is with significant force would be another question.
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Insane concept to me. Never heard of it before, maybe because I haven't been around since the '30s. I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything about there being any purpose to spinning the NDS other than to keep momentum with the DS. Does the NDS actually put any pressure on the crank/drivetrain?
#23
Thank you to those of you who've made it very clear, which makes the concept that much more interesting. I wonder if most would feel a similar sense of discombobulation while first trying these as most did the first time they attached their feet to a pair of pedals.
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Hmmm... another project to build (or, some of the cranks are on E-Bay now, MISSING the pedal threaded inserts).
How natural it would feel would depend on how much a person pulls up.
And... that may depend on what decade one started road riding in, and perhaps whether one "mashes" or "spins".
I tend to have a slow cadence, and believe at least 10% of the time I am pulling up. Certainly on a standing hill climb, I'm pulling up. The other 90%, I don't know. Whenever I want to give myself a little power boost, I start pulling up rather than pushing down harder. So... the independent cranks should be fairly quick to learn as all I have to do is not forget to continue to pull up. Doing a smooth round circle may be more difficult as I always think of two phases, a downward phase and an upward phase. Certainly with standing, the upward and downward phases are more accentuated.
It may be more awkward at higher cadences.
The big question, of course, is whether it makes a difference for overall efficiency and performance. And, that would depend on whether the "stroke" is as important as the cardio-vascular system (a strong cardiovascular system may be a reason why EPO is so valuable to performance).
It would be easy enough for a large cycling team to test.
Split the team into quarters (or more) and prohibit cross-communication.
Give each team group a "performance enhancing upgrade".
- Wheel Based Power Meter (Cycleops).
- Pedal Based Power Meter (Look Keo or Garmin Vector)
- Wheel Based Power Meter (Cycleops) PLUS PowerCranks
- Pedal Based Power Meter (Look Keo or Garmin Vector) PLUS PowerCranks
- Some other super upgrade? It would be hard to convince a cyclist that a power meter is an upgrade if they already have one. Another power upgrade that has been touted by some users is rearward cleat placement.
Anyway, if the PowerCranks always perform better than the control groups, then they would be helpful. If not, then it is bunk. Since it is a team sport... perhaps one would have to have quite a few mini teams, but easy enough to do with a large team. And, one would think they would invest in Research and Development as winning is so important (in theory).
#25
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In addition to having to lift the pedals up each stroke, I think it would feel really weird that there is nothing keeping the pedals 180 degrees apart.