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I think where I , and a number of others, took issue with your post, is the braking often reference.
Obviously there are times you have to brake in a paceline, but it really is to be avoided.
That's pretty much Paceline 101, and if you're braking often, you're doing something wrong.
Also, if you do need to brake, there are some things you can do to minimize the impact on the group:
keep pedaling while you apply the brakes, and the speed adjustment will be more subtle.
Also you talk about feathering the rear brake. If you're going to use a brake to srub speed in a paceline, a light application of the front brake,while still pedaling is much less disruptive to the group than using the rear.
Done well, you make a very small adjustment, and no one even knows you touched the brakes.
But any application of the rear brake often leads to an over reaction by the rider behind you when he/she sees/hears your brake go on, sending the accordion effect down the rest of the line.
Obviously there are times you have to brake in a paceline, but it really is to be avoided.
That's pretty much Paceline 101, and if you're braking often, you're doing something wrong.
Also, if you do need to brake, there are some things you can do to minimize the impact on the group:
keep pedaling while you apply the brakes, and the speed adjustment will be more subtle.
Also you talk about feathering the rear brake. If you're going to use a brake to srub speed in a paceline, a light application of the front brake,while still pedaling is much less disruptive to the group than using the rear.
Done well, you make a very small adjustment, and no one even knows you touched the brakes.
But any application of the rear brake often leads to an over reaction by the rider behind you when he/she sees/hears your brake go on, sending the accordion effect down the rest of the line.
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#2461
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Was gonna mention the same think Merlin did, touch the front bake and keep pedaling. Helps to set your brakes up a little loose.
And get better at soft pedaling.
And get better at soft pedaling.
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Did no one else see where 69chevy commentsd that you can accelerate while braking? I don't think he doesn't understand feathering the brakes. He did also mention that he is riding with people not very skilled in pacelines hence not holding a constant speed. While 'not braking' and using other speed attenuating methods may work fine for a skilled paceline, a non-skilled paceline can require a different strategy including feathering the brakes (dare I say 'often').
And seriously, using front versus rear brake for feathering is going to get argued? If I want to stop, I use the front brake. If I want to scrub a tiny bit of speed, either will do. How would anyone around me know which brake I'm grabbing anyway?
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I feel left out so I'll comment.
And seriously, using front versus rear brake for feathering is going to get argued? If I want to stop, I use the front brake. If I want to scrub a tiny bit of speed, either will do. How would anyone around me know which brake I'm grabbing anyway?
Page 100 yet?
And seriously, using front versus rear brake for feathering is going to get argued? If I want to stop, I use the front brake. If I want to scrub a tiny bit of speed, either will do. How would anyone around me know which brake I'm grabbing anyway?
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Subtle front brake while still pedaling doesn't cause the same reaction.
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#2472
That must be what I'm doing wrong - I keep looking at the heads and shoulders of the riders in front of me, instead of their brakes. Honestly, I might pay a little attention to what gear the wheel in front of me is in, and when focusing on getting tight, I'm looking more at the gap, where the tires meet the road; I don't recall EVER noticing their brakes. What I DO notice is when they stop pedaling - drives me mad!
#2473
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The guy behind you staring at your wheel will see your rear brake go on. This typically leads to them reflexively putting their brake on harder, hence the problem as it multiplies down the line.
Subtle front brake while still pedaling doesn't cause the same reaction.
Subtle front brake while still pedaling doesn't cause the same reaction.
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#2475
Rotated you back...lol.
As to Merlin's advice to 69 who sounds like an accident in waiting..69, if you can't control your distance based upon paceline elasticity aka slinky effect, best to cross wheel your front to rider in front's back..which gives you more margin to not hit your brakes and helps poor paceline riders like yourself not crash or crash others. Poor riders should never ride wheel to wheel laterally because this takes the margin for drafting out. Poor riders have to draft closer of course which is a bigger threat. The weakest rider in our 4 day a week ride just crashed and broke his collar bone because of this. Honestly, he is too weak for our ride and it cost him.
Being a good rider in a paceline is as much art as science. People that are riding over their head in term of their fitness relative to group strength are a greater liability to themselves and others.
As to Merlin's advice to 69 who sounds like an accident in waiting..69, if you can't control your distance based upon paceline elasticity aka slinky effect, best to cross wheel your front to rider in front's back..which gives you more margin to not hit your brakes and helps poor paceline riders like yourself not crash or crash others. Poor riders should never ride wheel to wheel laterally because this takes the margin for drafting out. Poor riders have to draft closer of course which is a bigger threat. The weakest rider in our 4 day a week ride just crashed and broke his collar bone because of this. Honestly, he is too weak for our ride and it cost him.
Being a good rider in a paceline is as much art as science. People that are riding over their head in term of their fitness relative to group strength are a greater liability to themselves and others.