So...do I tip him?
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So...do I tip him?
Not sure if this is a dumb question or not...
Last week I placed an order for my new bike...ended up spending a lot but its exactly what I want...5900 110 carbon frame/
X lite wheels/ITM/Thompson/Ultegra. So this is not a stock Trek combination, and the shop is getting the frame and
assembling the bike with the components I requested. The shop owner is extrememly helpful, and seems to be a very
genuine guy wanting the customer to be happy and have a bike that fits.
So when I go pick up the bike do I tip him? I guess basically for assembling the bike and helping with all the measurements
and fitment? The price for the stuff I'm getting seems pretty fair, but just curious if anyone has any opinions on tipping...
btw, www.jensonusa.com is having some good sales...just got an '02 Bell Ghisallo helmet for only $65!
Last week I placed an order for my new bike...ended up spending a lot but its exactly what I want...5900 110 carbon frame/
X lite wheels/ITM/Thompson/Ultegra. So this is not a stock Trek combination, and the shop is getting the frame and
assembling the bike with the components I requested. The shop owner is extrememly helpful, and seems to be a very
genuine guy wanting the customer to be happy and have a bike that fits.
So when I go pick up the bike do I tip him? I guess basically for assembling the bike and helping with all the measurements
and fitment? The price for the stuff I'm getting seems pretty fair, but just curious if anyone has any opinions on tipping...
btw, www.jensonusa.com is having some good sales...just got an '02 Bell Ghisallo helmet for only $65!
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Originally posted by Coppi51
Not sure if this is a dumb question or not...
Last week I placed an order for my new bike...ended up spending a lot but its exactly what I want...5900 110 carbon frame/
X lite wheels/ITM/Thompson/Ultegra. So this is not a stock Trek combination, and the shop is getting the frame and
assembling the bike with the components I requested. The shop owner is extrememly helpful, and seems to be a very
genuine guy wanting the customer to be happy and have a bike that fits.
So when I go pick up the bike do I tip him? I guess basically for assembling the bike and helping with all the measurements
and fitment? The price for the stuff I'm getting seems pretty fair, but just curious if anyone has any opinions on tipping...
btw, www.jensonusa.com is having some good sales...just got an '02 Bell Ghisallo helmet for only $65!
Not sure if this is a dumb question or not...
Last week I placed an order for my new bike...ended up spending a lot but its exactly what I want...5900 110 carbon frame/
X lite wheels/ITM/Thompson/Ultegra. So this is not a stock Trek combination, and the shop is getting the frame and
assembling the bike with the components I requested. The shop owner is extrememly helpful, and seems to be a very
genuine guy wanting the customer to be happy and have a bike that fits.
So when I go pick up the bike do I tip him? I guess basically for assembling the bike and helping with all the measurements
and fitment? The price for the stuff I'm getting seems pretty fair, but just curious if anyone has any opinions on tipping...
btw, www.jensonusa.com is having some good sales...just got an '02 Bell Ghisallo helmet for only $65!
what size is that?
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I agree with those above. No tip.
If you really like the job he does, drop off a six pack some evening near closing time.
If you really like the job he does, drop off a six pack some evening near closing time.
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I have found that a six-pak of Fat Tire Amber, or some of the wife's fresh baked cookies will convey my appreciation to the guys at the LBS more than money.
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No tip -
But I will often bring the shop guys a snack or buy 'em a diet dew from the shop next door if they let me use their tools or do a bang-up or last-minute pre-race labor job.
Bike stuff is too expensive to be expected to tip on top of it!
But I will often bring the shop guys a snack or buy 'em a diet dew from the shop next door if they let me use their tools or do a bang-up or last-minute pre-race labor job.
Bike stuff is too expensive to be expected to tip on top of it!
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I would consider a six pack of good beer like fat tire amber ale a great tip. Just to say thanks.
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Robtaylor 1613 ......Bike stuff is too expensive to be expected to tip on top of it!
That's an example of when you tip. It's a reward, a way of saying thanks. And it's a two-way street. Don't you think that they will remember you the next time you visit and need something?
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No because its getting out of hand,the money out of mine.Man we tip everybody for doing the job.Why dont we tip the mailman on those heavy mail days?Tip the streetsweeper for that extre water when doing the gutters.Lets keep it to the lowest wage earners.waitress,carwash,carparker,baggage carrier,those that get min.hourly.IMO
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shokhead: You miss the point. A tip, or reward is voluntary. I am the world's worst tipper at a restaurant. If the server merely does their job, serves me food and gets the order correct, I don't tip. However, if the server enhances my eating experience, then a tip is considered. If I get flak at an eating establishment about not leaving a tip, that person is in the wrong business.
Again, a tip should NOT be expected by anyone, or every time. It is a reward for doing something, unexpected and without asking, for you. More often than not a simple "thanks a lot!" will suffice. Buit then there are the times when a tip, of some sort should be given, because a thank you is not enough.
Again, a tip should NOT be expected by anyone, or every time. It is a reward for doing something, unexpected and without asking, for you. More often than not a simple "thanks a lot!" will suffice. Buit then there are the times when a tip, of some sort should be given, because a thank you is not enough.
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Thanks for the replies guys...
I will post some pics when I get the bike...should be in early this week...I can't wait...
KennethToronto: The helmet is a large
I will post some pics when I get the bike...should be in early this week...I can't wait...
KennethToronto: The helmet is a large
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Originally posted by Davet
shokhead: You miss the point. A tip, or reward is voluntary. I am the world's worst tipper at a restaurant. If the server merely does their job, serves me food and gets the order correct, I don't tip. However, if the server enhances my eating experience, then a tip is considered. If I get flak at an eating establishment about not leaving a tip, that person is in the wrong business.
Again, a tip should NOT be expected by anyone, or every time. It is a reward for doing something, unexpected and without asking, for you. More often than not a simple "thanks a lot!" will suffice. Buit then there are the times when a tip, of some sort should be given, because a thank you is not enough.
shokhead: You miss the point. A tip, or reward is voluntary. I am the world's worst tipper at a restaurant. If the server merely does their job, serves me food and gets the order correct, I don't tip. However, if the server enhances my eating experience, then a tip is considered. If I get flak at an eating establishment about not leaving a tip, that person is in the wrong business.
Again, a tip should NOT be expected by anyone, or every time. It is a reward for doing something, unexpected and without asking, for you. More often than not a simple "thanks a lot!" will suffice. Buit then there are the times when a tip, of some sort should be given, because a thank you is not enough.
I haven't waited tables in many, many years but having done it, I am well aware of what a crappy job it can be. I'm glad there are still people wanting to do it. I'd hate to have to order all my meals from a standup counter.
As for tipping the LBS guy... I don't tip someone who owns any establishment (i.e., hair salon). For employees, follow the golden rule and you can't go wrong.
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When I was in my late teens I worked part time at a transmission shop and we would receive lots of beer tips. It was appreciated by all of us on the floor and the shop owner encouraged it! The rule was that we could only drink on Thursday’s nights and Saturdays or after the shop was closed. It was good for moral and it would push us to do little jobs for our customers for nothing, which encouraged them to buy us more beer and tell their friends about us. It was a good business move, not sure if it would be suitable it today’s work environment.
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I don't know how it is where you live, but here, servers don't even make minimum wage, they have to pay taxes based on their gross food sales, and they also have to pay out to bus staff and hostesses based on gross food sales.
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Originally posted by Davet
So, you're saying that one should tip because the waitperson has chosen a low-paying job?
So, you're saying that one should tip because the waitperson has chosen a low-paying job?
Yeah dude, all these people turned down jobs as CEOs so they could rip you off on geting an extra $3 from your weekly paycheck. Tipping is a societal norm. Who are you making working class people kiss your lycra clad butt? Sometime we should be nice because it is the right thing to do. Don't like tipping? Eat at McDonalds.
People who ride $1000+ bike who won't tip a struggling student or a single Mom who is WORKING (as opposed to not working) give self-centeredness a bad name...
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hehe...no need to argue guys I appreciate all your comments
Thanks again...I might be picking up the bike tomorrow! woooo hoooooooo!
Thanks again...I might be picking up the bike tomorrow! woooo hoooooooo!
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So, you're saying that one should tip because the waitperson has chosen a low-paying job?
I consider a tip to be a part of the cost of the meal - I just automatically figure it into the price at 15%. If bad service, I give 10%. If great, I give 20%. The IRS taxes them as if they had gotten 12% tips.
Like it or not, tipping is an integral part of our culture. If you don't like it, perhaps McDonalds?
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Originally posted by DnvrFox
Around here, the hourly wage without tips for a wait person is $2.33 per hour.
I consider a tip to be a part of the cost of the meal - I just automatically figure it into the price at 15%. If bad service, I give 10%. If great, I give 20%. The IRS taxes them as if they had gotten 12% tips.
Like it or not, tipping is an integral part of our culture. If you don't like it, perhaps McDonalds?
Around here, the hourly wage without tips for a wait person is $2.33 per hour.
I consider a tip to be a part of the cost of the meal - I just automatically figure it into the price at 15%. If bad service, I give 10%. If great, I give 20%. The IRS taxes them as if they had gotten 12% tips.
Like it or not, tipping is an integral part of our culture. If you don't like it, perhaps McDonalds?
Davet - Do you go back to the same restaurants often .. you know, the ones that you didn't tip at because they didn't "exceed" in there job serving you? I'd be worrying about getting my food spat in.
Oh, regarding the original question .. I'd say no but that is a personal choice. It's not like the food/service industry.
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Boy, I sure touched a nerve here!
I still have a hard time trying to figure why you would pay extra for something, just because of the wages of the worker.
O.K. then, lets turn this back to you all, and keep it in a bicycling context. My question to you is; why do you buy bike stuff on-line even though your LBS is struggling and most likely is not making a great deal of money doing something he enjoys? The average wage of a good mechanic is way below what his equivalent in the auto industry makes. The argument that you proffered to me, about how restaurant employees are underpaid is the reason that a tip should be given regardless, then should be the same for the LBS and his workers who are often underpaid based on their skill, knowledge and inventory of what you want. I think if you truly believed what you are asserting here, to me, you would be shopping and buying at the LBS and not at the internet stores.
I consider a tip to be a part of the cost of the meal - I just automatically figure it into the price at 15%. If bad service, I give 10%. If great, I give 20%. The IRS taxes them as if they had gotten 12% tips.
O.K. then, lets turn this back to you all, and keep it in a bicycling context. My question to you is; why do you buy bike stuff on-line even though your LBS is struggling and most likely is not making a great deal of money doing something he enjoys? The average wage of a good mechanic is way below what his equivalent in the auto industry makes. The argument that you proffered to me, about how restaurant employees are underpaid is the reason that a tip should be given regardless, then should be the same for the LBS and his workers who are often underpaid based on their skill, knowledge and inventory of what you want. I think if you truly believed what you are asserting here, to me, you would be shopping and buying at the LBS and not at the internet stores.
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I still have a hard time trying to figure why you would pay extra for something, just because of the wages of the worker.
As to the bicycle shop analogy, I failt to see that it is an analogy. The discrete parts simply are not parallel. But, in any event, I do buy a lot at my LBS, and give them a lot of repair work. I consider a good relationship with my LBS to be an important part of my bicycling experience. I like it when I go into the lBS and they know me by my first name. I also go to McDonald's at times and don't pay tips. I guess you might compare that to Nashbar.
Again, I just don't follow the analogy.
My son worked as a waiter. He ALWAYS tips high - he know from first-hand experience how important that is to the waiter.
If the service is lousy, I let the manager know.
I enjoy sharing my resources with others. Makes me feel good.
Anyway, have a great day.
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Originally posted by Davet
O.K. then, lets turn this back to you all, and keep it in a bicycling context. My question to you is; why do you buy bike stuff on-line even though your LBS is struggling and most likely is not making a great deal of money doing something he enjoys snipping
O.K. then, lets turn this back to you all, and keep it in a bicycling context. My question to you is; why do you buy bike stuff on-line even though your LBS is struggling and most likely is not making a great deal of money doing something he enjoys snipping
I wouldn't mess with people serving me food. There are so many ways they can get get back at you. Don't be so cheap and give'm a tip.
So, do you - Davet - frequent the same restaurants (where they spit in the guy's food that doesn't tip)? Or do you show up in silly disguises?
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In some countries restaurant staff are considered professionals and are trained to do their job correctly. Instead of a voluntary tip, it is added to the bill in plain site, if you are happy with the experience it is appreciated that you add a little more. If you are un-happy than you should speak with the head server. I prefer it this way!
$2.33 is this real?
He also works seasonal with no or few benefits.
I am almost ready to by a touring bike and I can save money by ordering it from the factory and bypass my LBS that deals with this brand. I will save about $200.00 Canadian and not have to pay the 7% provincial tax. Okay, I will have to pay shipping, assemble it and deal with adjustments and any problems.
But for the extra $200.00 the LBS will deal with the shipping, assemble it and deal with the headaches and my anger if it does not work right. The LBS has offered me 25% off accessories for the bike and will do an annual tune up and adjustments as needed and will give me ASAP service.
$2.33 is this real?
The average wage of a good mechanic is way below what his equivalent in the auto industry makes.
I am almost ready to by a touring bike and I can save money by ordering it from the factory and bypass my LBS that deals with this brand. I will save about $200.00 Canadian and not have to pay the 7% provincial tax. Okay, I will have to pay shipping, assemble it and deal with adjustments and any problems.
But for the extra $200.00 the LBS will deal with the shipping, assemble it and deal with the headaches and my anger if it does not work right. The LBS has offered me 25% off accessories for the bike and will do an annual tune up and adjustments as needed and will give me ASAP service.
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In Texas servers are paid $2.13 an hour. They also must tip out 4% of her gross sales back to the restaraunt and they then split the tips amongst the bartender, a person who brings some of the food out, and a person that helps set up tables. So if the Mrs. sells $1000 worth of food she HAS to tip out $40.00 of HER money regardless if she was tipped on a table or not. Some tables actually end up costing her money. It's not right but it's the way it is, thus tipping has become essentially mandatory. Her last paycheck for 78 hours plus 4 hours of OT was just under 78 dollars. Figured out to about .98 per hour.
As a pizza delivery guy in college I've done some very vile things to non tippers food
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As a pizza delivery guy in college I've done some very vile things to non tippers food
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