Making the jump from CAT 1 to Continental
08-11-16, 06:24 PM
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Ha. If curious about race horses
"VO2max was reached at... work rates ranging from 3016W to 4260W"
Cardiovascular and respiratory responses in Thoroughbred horses during treadmill exercise. - PubMed - NCBI
"VO2max was reached at... work rates ranging from 3016W to 4260W"
Cardiovascular and respiratory responses in Thoroughbred horses during treadmill exercise. - PubMed - NCBI
doping is pretty big in horse-racing, no?
08-11-16, 06:36 PM
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It seems that he can do 450w for an hour and still pedal, meaning like in the Tour of CA he still had the rest of the queen stage to go (first hour was 450w). I don't know if he rode before/after the race when he lapped the A race 3 times, but I think those guys were riding to the race.
To me those numbers are just crazy, but based on Tim's numbers they seem right in line (Tim is more like 5'10", rides a 56 cm or so). But having been in races with him, mostly when he was like 17 or 18, he's been pretty consistent in his overwhelming power. He's also enormous, it's like standing next to an elephant. His thighs are enormous.
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08-11-16, 06:38 PM
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in that context it just doesn't seem right.
08-11-16, 06:50 PM
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Of course then I think of that Velonews tire rolling resistance test and narrow aero frames and this and that and yada yada yada...
And Indurain... failing a dope test shortly before his hour record, absolutely altering they way he rode from one season to two seasons later...
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
08-11-16, 08:43 PM
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08-11-16, 10:05 PM
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When I first took up playing ice hockey in college, I got very good, very quickly. And I thought, man, had I started younger, maybe I could make a minor league team.
A couple years later, in my mid-20s, I was playing in a beer league and was on a team with a guy only a couple years older than me who had spent six years in the NHL. His career flamed out early after too many ACL tears. Even with his limited mobility, he was on another level. He could skate circles around the best guy out there and his slapshot was insane.
At one point he coached an ECHL team, and I asked him about possibly signing me to an emergency backup contract if they ever needed someone. He laughed, and said no. He didn't want my death on his hands. He told me I didn't know how to check a guy, nor would I survive a hit. He was probably right.
I can also say that I did once have a conversation with a scout from the Maple Leafs about playing for them. It was a very short conversation.
A couple years later, in my mid-20s, I was playing in a beer league and was on a team with a guy only a couple years older than me who had spent six years in the NHL. His career flamed out early after too many ACL tears. Even with his limited mobility, he was on another level. He could skate circles around the best guy out there and his slapshot was insane.
At one point he coached an ECHL team, and I asked him about possibly signing me to an emergency backup contract if they ever needed someone. He laughed, and said no. He didn't want my death on his hands. He told me I didn't know how to check a guy, nor would I survive a hit. He was probably right.
I can also say that I did once have a conversation with a scout from the Maple Leafs about playing for them. It was a very short conversation.
So ... eventually, we were like "...uh, you play college ball?" He said no, backup second base for the A's. Oh...
08-11-16, 11:27 PM
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08-12-16, 08:36 AM
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big mig was well....big. 498 for 30ish minutes (length of u23 nationals) seems plausible for a 195 lb guy.
wiggins has publically shared that for london ITT he did 472w for 52minutes and that was his TDF weight , like.... 71.75kg (151lbs)
imho bryan would need to be just a smaller package to climb with costa, morton, etc at the pro level. He's just getting his pro feet wet, so who knows, but i dont think BL will be utilized as a climber on teams. It's equally incredible to think that probably cavendish can still outclimb cat 1s and he's in the gruppetto of grand tours lol.
08-12-16, 09:31 AM
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yea so many humbling pro moments to think of that going pro can't even be a consideration unless u are nearing some of their metrics. I think off memory froome's SRM power from vuelta TT where he got 3rd overall, i could probably do his TT w/kg for 3-4 minutes , and his TT was like 55minutes long.
Back to london olympics basedgod wiggins, for 44km course his time of 50:39 , that's a 32.38 mph average. The best TTer in our area, Blair Berbert (who finished 2nd at elite ITT nats this year) crushes this pan flat 40km course here in MABRA at 30.3mph @370w (probably....3 full minutes faster than me at least 278w 28.0mph 53:20). Just eeking out MPHs over a long course probably takes that extra 100w that wiggins has.... I did 30.5mph average on my TT bike for 8.5 minutes once and at my weight + Position (maybe not optimized) i needed 357w, flat (little to no wind). It's a huge ask.
i remember another baseball fact something like the bugatti veyron needed 600 of its 1001 hp to make it from 180mph to 230mph. So much power is needed to push yourself through the medium of air.
Back to london olympics basedgod wiggins, for 44km course his time of 50:39 , that's a 32.38 mph average. The best TTer in our area, Blair Berbert (who finished 2nd at elite ITT nats this year) crushes this pan flat 40km course here in MABRA at 30.3mph @370w (probably....3 full minutes faster than me at least 278w 28.0mph 53:20). Just eeking out MPHs over a long course probably takes that extra 100w that wiggins has.... I did 30.5mph average on my TT bike for 8.5 minutes once and at my weight + Position (maybe not optimized) i needed 357w, flat (little to no wind). It's a huge ask.
i remember another baseball fact something like the bugatti veyron needed 600 of its 1001 hp to make it from 180mph to 230mph. So much power is needed to push yourself through the medium of air.
08-12-16, 10:43 AM
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I love the getting stronger journey though, it's like the world's crappiest Rocky montage and you don't even know if you'll be able to defeat the Russian at the end of it!
My come to jesus was a few months back when i realized the magic 5w/kg ftp does not make me a special snowflake in 1/2 racing. It's enough to hang on long enough to get your face punched in in road races and gain fitness to survive a bit longer every time, while you watch the actual players throw haymakers at each other. It's so cool though! Yay bikes ughhhh...
My come to jesus was a few months back when i realized the magic 5w/kg ftp does not make me a special snowflake in 1/2 racing. It's enough to hang on long enough to get your face punched in in road races and gain fitness to survive a bit longer every time, while you watch the actual players throw haymakers at each other. It's so cool though! Yay bikes ughhhh...
08-12-16, 04:59 PM
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My come to jesus was a few months back when i realized the magic 5w/kg ftp does not make me a special snowflake in 1/2 racing. It's enough to hang on long enough to get your face punched in in road races and gain fitness to survive a bit longer every time, while you watch the actual players throw haymakers at each other. It's so cool though! Yay bikes ughhhh...
I've only ever done 5 w/kg for about 15 mins. I think that's right around my 15 min pr, actually. But it has very little to do with successful 1/2 racing (unless you're doing lots and lots of climbing, and I wouldn't know about that).
