Tubeless or not?
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Guess it's just the extra hassle that comes with it. Anyways, I ended up buying a new TL Giant tire at my LBS & some sealant. I spent 1 hour trying to inflate the freaking tire using one of my air compressor (150PSI) and it didn't work. Even at high pressure, air was getting out instead of pushing the beads to where they should be. I was about to put WD-40 in there & light it up, but came back to my senses and gave up. There is something I am not doing right. Oh well, first times are the worst. I will resume tomorrow. If you have any tips for me, feel free to make me happy!
I am now thinking of ordering a new bike pump that comes with a built-in compressor. They are not cheap, but could clearly save me some headaches on the long run.
I am now thinking of ordering a new bike pump that comes with a built-in compressor. They are not cheap, but could clearly save me some headaches on the long run.
- "Unfurl" the tire ahead of time, shape it into that "tire shape," and leave it sitting awhile on a bench or the floor.
- After putting the tire on to the rim, make sure the beads are outside of the stem. Soap both beads, all the way around. I use bubble juice, leaves minimal residue, easy to clean up. Plain water with a drop or two of dish soap also works.
- Position the wheel so the stem is at the 6 o'clock position, core removed. I use a blowgun, straight into the stem. Push down on the tire from the top, blast it with air.
- Tire should snap into place fast.
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I'm go to go based on the assumption that you have a compressor-- something with a tank, not the little motor driven jobbies you use with an extension cord to fill a leaky car tire. If that's what you're using, that's the problem. You don't need pressure, you need volume. You can use an air tank, or make a homebrew "airshot" cylinder out of a 1L bottle, a presta valve, and some tubing-- but a proper, tanked compressor makes seating tires a breeze... usually. The Maxxis Padrone made me want to give up on cycling altogether. Never with Gavias, though. They never give me any issue. So if you get to the shopping stage, don't bother with one of those pumps, IMO. Buy a compressor. A pancake or hotdog from Kobalt, Porter Cable, DeWalt, etc. will be around $100, and usually come with accessories or even a tool or two. Harbor Freight will have you out the door for maybe 60 bucks.
- "Unfurl" the tire ahead of time, shape it into that "tire shape," and leave it sitting awhile on a bench or the floor.
- After putting the tire on to the rim, make sure the beads are outside of the stem. Soap both beads, all the way around. I use bubble juice, leaves minimal residue, easy to clean up. Plain water with a drop or two of dish soap also works.
- Position the wheel so the stem is at the 6 o'clock position, core removed. I use a blowgun, straight into the stem. Push down on the tire from the top, blast it with air.
- Tire should snap into place fast.
As for the pump, replacing my current old one was already planned. I believe spending 50$ more for one that has a tank could be a plus value.
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Getting some tubeless onto to the rim can indeed be a real PITA. For really bad ones i use a little bit of yamaha tire bead lube from the motorcycle parts store + a bead jack.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
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Getting some tubeless onto to the rim can indeed be a real PITA. For really bad ones i use a little bit of yamaha tire bead lube from the motorcycle parts store + a bead jack.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
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Getting some tubeless onto to the rim can indeed be a real PITA. For really bad ones i use a little bit of yamaha tire bead lube from the motorcycle parts store + a bead jack.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
as mentioned above, any compressor with a jet nozzle will seat a tire. Never need to use soap suds etc.
I dropped my wheel at the LBS so they can mount it. I was 0.0001 seconds away from throwing it on the wall. I just don't have the patience needed for that.
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I was told to add the sealant after the tire is installed on the rim, roll the wheel so it gets everywhere inside and then inflate it. Guess there are different -less messier- ways to do it.
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So my LBS called a few minutes ago & said they were having a rough time as well. They unmounted the tire, cleaned it & installed it again without sealant and it's still not working. Unless they are complete ignorants, I am starting to believe that the tire might be at fault here.
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So my LBS called a few minutes ago & said they were having a rough time as well. They unmounted the tire, cleaned it & installed it again without sealant and it's still not working. Unless they are complete ignorants, I am starting to believe that the tire might be at fault here.
I assume that this is where you got the new tire? And they called you to say, "hey - no progress"? Did they try seating another one that they had in stock if they suspected the tire was somehow... too big? Too small?
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LBS employees aren't beyond reproach, especially if this is the place that told you to add sealant before seating the beads (something that's somewhat common in the MTB world but not so much in the road world).
I assume that this is where you got the new tire? And they called you to say, "hey - no progress"? Did they try seating another one that they had in stock if they suspected the tire was somehow... too big? Too small?
I assume that this is where you got the new tire? And they called you to say, "hey - no progress"? Did they try seating another one that they had in stock if they suspected the tire was somehow... too big? Too small?
Is that the only shop in your area?
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If it's a particularly stubborn tire, remove the valve core of the presta valve and burn a CO2. I get my CO2 cartridges from Amazon for about a dollar a piece.
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There are also pumps with built-in air chamber that can do the same thing. This is what I'm buying since I need a new pump anyways.
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Yikes! I can only remember one tire that was past the point of a CO2. It took removing the core, attaching a compressor to the stem running full-bore, and three dudes manipulating the tire at different leak points before it finally hissed into place. That was the better part of 10 years ago, and I've since not seen a tire be anywhere near that bad.
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There's also this, which negates the need for a separate air chamber (slow to the punch)
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
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Yikes! I can only remember one tire that was past the point of a CO2. It took removing the core, attaching a compressor to the stem running full-bore, and three dudes manipulating the tire at different leak points before it finally hissed into place. That was the better part of 10 years ago, and I've since not seen a tire be anywhere near that bad.
Kudos to them for squeezing me in-between 2 jobs in this very busy time of year (especially with everything that's going on right now!).
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There's also this, which negates the need for a separate air chamber (slow to the punch)
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
https://www.harborfreight.com/5-gall...ank-65594.html
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There's also this, which negates the need for a separate air chamber (slow to the punch)
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...CABEgJB4_D_BwE
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