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#978
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The bike as I'll probably race it for the 500m. This picture from this past Saturday. Experimented with a couple bars, stems, lots of experimenting with gearing. Ridden on two tracks.
NEV which is shallow banked and about as informal as doing track in your yard as can be - like if you had a big yard and a dozen truckloads of cement that's what you might come up with - and TTown which is the absolute opposite. At NEV the concrete is normal road concrete, so coarse and such, with cracks like a normal road might have. There's not enough banking to hold speed at neutral steering input, so you have to really turn hard to stay on the track. And I mean literally - if you go too fast you end up going up the bank and over the tire wall fence. I never felt comfortable doing a 100% jump there because I felt like I'd go up and over the wall.
At TTown it's how fast you can go that limits your speed. I forgot that the surface is like sheetrock, slight texture but otherwise absolutely smooth. Super fast. Huge difference from NEV.
Zipp stem to fit the 7VRN bars properly. I got an extra custom road stem (the -32 deg 14.5 cm ones) to use with a road bar but it's too short in reach, even though the Dolan and my Tsunamis are essentially identical in sizing. I have yet to experiment with toe straps on the pedals.
Last day at TTown, Sat morning racing Aug 28, 2021.
NEV which is shallow banked and about as informal as doing track in your yard as can be - like if you had a big yard and a dozen truckloads of cement that's what you might come up with - and TTown which is the absolute opposite. At NEV the concrete is normal road concrete, so coarse and such, with cracks like a normal road might have. There's not enough banking to hold speed at neutral steering input, so you have to really turn hard to stay on the track. And I mean literally - if you go too fast you end up going up the bank and over the tire wall fence. I never felt comfortable doing a 100% jump there because I felt like I'd go up and over the wall.
At TTown it's how fast you can go that limits your speed. I forgot that the surface is like sheetrock, slight texture but otherwise absolutely smooth. Super fast. Huge difference from NEV.
Zipp stem to fit the 7VRN bars properly. I got an extra custom road stem (the -32 deg 14.5 cm ones) to use with a road bar but it's too short in reach, even though the Dolan and my Tsunamis are essentially identical in sizing. I have yet to experiment with toe straps on the pedals.
Last day at TTown, Sat morning racing Aug 28, 2021.
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#979
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Thread Starter
The bike as I'll probably race it for the 500m. This picture from this past Saturday. Experimented with a couple bars, stems, lots of experimenting with gearing. Ridden on two tracks.
NEV which is shallow banked and about as informal as doing track in your yard as can be - like if you had a big yard and a dozen truckloads of cement that's what you might come up with - and TTown which is the absolute opposite. At NEV the concrete is normal road concrete, so coarse and such, with cracks like a normal road might have. There's not enough banking to hold speed at neutral steering input, so you have to really turn hard to stay on the track. And I mean literally - if you go too fast you end up going up the bank and over the tire wall fence. I never felt comfortable doing a 100% jump there because I felt like I'd go up and over the wall.
At TTown it's how fast you can go that limits your speed. I forgot that the surface is like sheetrock, slight texture but otherwise absolutely smooth. Super fast. Huge difference from NEV.
Zipp stem to fit the 7VRN bars properly. I got an extra custom road stem (the -32 deg 14.5 cm ones) to use with a road bar but it's too short in reach, even though the Dolan and my Tsunamis are essentially identical in sizing. I have yet to experiment with toe straps on the pedals.
Last day at TTown, Sat morning racing Aug 28, 2021.
NEV which is shallow banked and about as informal as doing track in your yard as can be - like if you had a big yard and a dozen truckloads of cement that's what you might come up with - and TTown which is the absolute opposite. At NEV the concrete is normal road concrete, so coarse and such, with cracks like a normal road might have. There's not enough banking to hold speed at neutral steering input, so you have to really turn hard to stay on the track. And I mean literally - if you go too fast you end up going up the bank and over the tire wall fence. I never felt comfortable doing a 100% jump there because I felt like I'd go up and over the wall.
At TTown it's how fast you can go that limits your speed. I forgot that the surface is like sheetrock, slight texture but otherwise absolutely smooth. Super fast. Huge difference from NEV.
Zipp stem to fit the 7VRN bars properly. I got an extra custom road stem (the -32 deg 14.5 cm ones) to use with a road bar but it's too short in reach, even though the Dolan and my Tsunamis are essentially identical in sizing. I have yet to experiment with toe straps on the pedals.
Last day at TTown, Sat morning racing Aug 28, 2021.
Why? The Adamo is designed to be used in a TT aerobar position while riding on the “sit bones”. This is difficult to get (and stay) perched there while doing a full-gas, anaerobic effort. Also, there is a tendency for riders to scoot forward “on the rivet” what at max exertion. You cannot do that with the Adamo.
#980
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That looks like a great build for the 500m. 1 note, though. I’d recommend trading out the Adamo saddle for a long standard saddle like the Arione classic.
Why? The Adamo is designed to be used in a TT aerobar position while riding on the “sit bones”. This is difficult to get (and stay) perched there while doing a full-gas, anaerobic effort. Also, there is a tendency for riders to scoot forward “on the rivet” what at max exertion. You cannot do that with the Adamo.
Why? The Adamo is designed to be used in a TT aerobar position while riding on the “sit bones”. This is difficult to get (and stay) perched there while doing a full-gas, anaerobic effort. Also, there is a tendency for riders to scoot forward “on the rivet” what at max exertion. You cannot do that with the Adamo.
I am a bit disappointed in the post/setback. I would prefer the saddle be more forward, but can't do anything about it right now. On my road bike I have a zero setback post on a seat tube angle that is 1 deg steeper. This one has quite a bit of setback.
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
#981
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That looks like a great build for the 500m. 1 note, though. I’d recommend trading out the Adamo saddle for a long standard saddle like the Arione classic.
Why? The Adamo is designed to be used in a TT aerobar position while riding on the “sit bones”. This is difficult to get (and stay) perched there while doing a full-gas, anaerobic effort. Also, there is a tendency for riders to scoot forward “on the rivet” what at max exertion. You cannot do that with the Adamo.
Why? The Adamo is designed to be used in a TT aerobar position while riding on the “sit bones”. This is difficult to get (and stay) perched there while doing a full-gas, anaerobic effort. Also, there is a tendency for riders to scoot forward “on the rivet” what at max exertion. You cannot do that with the Adamo.
I hadn't thought of the sliding forward. As it is I will slide forward on the Adamo, almost like I'm pushing back on the horns instead of sitting on top of the junction of them. Part of the reason for the Adamo is the padding - after trying it I found it quite painful to use my other saddles - previously I was using the Arione and the SLR (the latter being admittedly hard).
I am a bit disappointed in the post/setback. I would prefer the saddle be more forward, but can't do anything about it right now. On my road bike I have a zero setback post on a seat tube angle that is 1 deg steeper. This one has quite a bit of setback.
I am a bit disappointed in the post/setback. I would prefer the saddle be more forward, but can't do anything about it right now. On my road bike I have a zero setback post on a seat tube angle that is 1 deg steeper. This one has quite a bit of setback.
#982
Senior Member
Huh. Ironically I have a longer version one but since I couldn't get it to fit right I stuck it on the CycleOps spin bike. I'll put it on my Dolan and see how it is.
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
#983
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I’ve only seen one top racer use such saddles and that was Rebecca Romero (IP specialist).
It’s not impossible to use them for sprint events…but it’s an acquired taste, and IMHO, not popular for a reason.
#984
One of my favorite feelings at TTown is being completely spun out at 145rpm and just holding on to the draft and the cadence for dear life as the uci giants in front of me rip it up, going so fast through turns 3 and 4 that the rear wheel starts hopping around underneath me. I'm I hope you get that thrill soon!
#985
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Yeah, I used to have an Adamo and a Cobb longer saddle…the Adamo absolutely sucked (for the reasons stated above) and the Cobb was better because it was connected in the center-front, but the vertical padding still took some work to get settled onto at near 40mph/60kph when sitting after the standing start. Also, the sliding wasn’t as smooth as the arione. I would slide forward at the end of the event in an effort to effectively shorten my reach to the pedals and spin more to “get my legs out of the way of the pedals” and avoid applying back pressure while fatigued.
I’ve only seen one top racer use such saddles and that was Rebecca Romero (IP specialist).
It’s not impossible to use them for sprint events…but it’s an acquired taste, and IMHO, not popular for a reason.
I’ve only seen one top racer use such saddles and that was Rebecca Romero (IP specialist).
It’s not impossible to use them for sprint events…but it’s an acquired taste, and IMHO, not popular for a reason.
#986
Senior Member
One of my favorite feelings at TTown is being completely spun out at 145rpm and just holding on to the draft and the cadence for dear life as the uci giants in front of me rip it up, going so fast through turns 3 and 4 that the rear wheel starts hopping around underneath me. I'm I hope you get that thrill soon!
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
#987
Err I'm a long, long way away from that! haha. But man, I am hooked. I get out there and instantly feel like, yeah, this is it. I didn't get that feeling in SoCal or when I line up for a crit. I mean, yes, it's fun and exciting and cool and all that, but I never felt like, this is *it*. But the track... I even said to the Missus that if I lived near the track I'd be there for all the open sessions, I'd be racing there all the time... I'd live on the track. Well, one short effort at a time.
It's the last week of our season here in Seattle and I'm very bummed. Dunno what I'm gonna do on Friday nights.
#989
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#990
Got the new rig out at the end of the season for some efforts (Rock Hill, SC). I was at least able to get some baseline efforts/times to focus on improving over the off-season in spite of itching for a racing schedule.
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#992
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^ wowsers
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
#994
really nice build quality the hydroformed tubing is very nice. I expected the down tube and seat tube to be from the same tubing to cut manufacturing costs but they are completely different and the welding looks top quality.
For anyone interested the Bottom Bracket Drop is 49mm and the Fork Rake is 30mm.
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#995
That's really nice. Price is competitive with the other high end aluminum options (Kissena and Allez sprint) and it looks really well designed and thought out. The two reach options is really nice too.
Speaking of high end aluminum, does anyone know what happened to Fifty point One? They had a nice spec / customization sheet, but I never saw one except Colby's in a few pictures and some random promo material.
Speaking of high end aluminum, does anyone know what happened to Fifty point One? They had a nice spec / customization sheet, but I never saw one except Colby's in a few pictures and some random promo material.
#996
Per https://fiftypointoneracing.com/: Fifty Point One Racing is closed as of March 2021.
#997
Per https://fiftypointoneracing.com/: Fifty Point One Racing is closed as of March 2021.
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#999
Why not flip the stem up and remove a spacer?
#1000
this setup is for playing with position. There might be some new bars on the horizon soon with less drop so don’t want to cut the steerer two short yet. And I’m not a fan of upturned stems which is why I have fitted a 25mm headset dust cover.