The death of rim brakes, disc brakes now unanimous in the pro peloton...
#201
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,179
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Liked 7,728 Times
in
3,099 Posts
Someday, maybe in the next 10-20 years, you'll be sitting quietly on your front porch and you'll suddenly think "Where did all those damn clouds come from?" Simultaneously, you will conclude that it is no longer possible for bikes and cycling gear to improve beyond what you presently own, and you will live out the remainder of your cycling days frozen in time.
Likes For tomato coupe:
#203
Senior Member
Pro bikes would be probably around 5ish kg
#205
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,614
Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel
Liked 1,351 Times
in
786 Posts
I have mechanical disc brakes on my Colnago World Cup CX. Have had this bike for over 5 years. The brakes have been problem free. I have no experience that would lead me to say they are terrible.
#206
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,614
Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel
Liked 1,351 Times
in
786 Posts
Someday, maybe in the next 10-20 years, you'll be sitting quietly on your front porch and you'll suddenly think "Where did all those damn clouds come from?" Simultaneously, you will conclude that it is no longer possible for bikes and cycling gear to improve beyond what you presently own, and you will live out the remainder of your cycling days frozen in time.
#207
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,179
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Liked 7,728 Times
in
3,099 Posts
#209
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520
Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo
Liked 9,456 Times
in
4,672 Posts
Likes For WhyFi:
#210
Probably none, and aero road bikes wouldn't be a thing, either, even if it matters more than weight, and tires and wheels wouldn't be getting wider and deeper, most likely, either. You can easily feel weight, unlike, say, aerodynamics which is invisible.
Pro bikes would be probably around 5ish kg
Pro bikes would be probably around 5ish kg
#211
Who was it disrespectful to exactly? I know plenty of people who like to live in the past and will spout all kinds of BS about newer things. It's just human nature.
#212
Probably none, and aero road bikes wouldn't be a thing, either, even if it matters more than weight, and tires and wheels wouldn't be getting wider and deeper, most likely, either. You can easily feel weight, unlike, say, aerodynamics which is invisible.
Pro bikes would be probably around 5ish kg
Pro bikes would be probably around 5ish kg
#214
Grupetto Bob
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Seattle-ish
Posts: 6,572
Bikes: Bikey McBike Face
Liked 6,112 Times
in
3,121 Posts
Yet another BF thread devolves into inevitable arguments and accusations. Which means everything is normal.
__________________
Road 🚴🏾♂️ & Mountain 🚵🏾♂️
Road 🚴🏾♂️ & Mountain 🚵🏾♂️
Likes For rsbob:
#215
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne, Oz
Posts: 9,555
Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231
Liked 725 Times
in
515 Posts
Better analogy is electronic shifting vs cable. Pros all use disc and electronic. Higher end groupsets are/will all be electronic and disc brake.
However, mid-range and entry level will likely still support rim brakes (and cable shifting) for quite some time.
If you can understand why purity might be a reason some folks like track bikes, you can probably see that mechanical shifting and rim brakes are likely to survive at the high end, even if it's just Campy.
Last edited by Kimmo; 09-27-21 at 01:29 AM.
#216
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne, Oz
Posts: 9,555
Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231
Liked 725 Times
in
515 Posts
I would be so down with something in direct mount. Doubt it's a thing, though... What is there, ye olde Magura ones, and SRAM?
No. They're superior in a couple of ways and inferior in a couple of others. Most people don't care about the drawbacks, but some do, which is allowed.
Last edited by Kimmo; 09-27-21 at 01:43 AM.
#218
Senior Member
OTOH, I'm sure the concept of 'purity' is a consideration for a certain fraction of the cost-no-object market...
If you can understand why purity might be a reason some folks like track bikes, you can probably see that mechanical shifting and rim brakes are likely to survive at the high end, even if it's just Campy.
If you can understand why purity might be a reason some folks like track bikes, you can probably see that mechanical shifting and rim brakes are likely to survive at the high end, even if it's just Campy.
Again, I expect there will be small time makers who will go for the niche markets; you can get brand new downtube shifters today, if you like, and I expect someone in 2050 will be able to buy a mechanical groupset with rim brakes just fine - but they won't have loads of choice.
Likes For Branko D:
#219
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520
Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo
Liked 9,456 Times
in
4,672 Posts
No, the way I read it, he was cheekily paying a compliment by poking fun at the common retrogrouch mind-trap of drawing a line in the sand, usually correlating to a specific stage in their life, and declaring it the peak of bike technology.
Likes For WhyFi:
#220
Senior Member
I read it the way Bruce read it, especially after reading other posts from TC. I'd guess that whichever side of the debate you're on is the way you might decipher the statement. I could be wrong. That goes for most any debate here whether it be discs/rims, shifting systems, tubed/tubeless, toilet seat up/down, etc, etc, etc.
#221
Not actually Tmonk
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,478
Bikes: road, track, mtb
Liked 3,448 Times
in
1,806 Posts
I read it as ridicule as well. I think that either are valid interpretations. For that reasons, my opinion is that it is not very nice and/or could have been worded differently.
Much of the content since then has been unconstructive and argumentative as rsbob suggested.. I'll go a step further and suggest that we give it a rest.
Much of the content since then has been unconstructive and argumentative as rsbob suggested.. I'll go a step further and suggest that we give it a rest.
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
#222
Not actually Tmonk
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,478
Bikes: road, track, mtb
Liked 3,448 Times
in
1,806 Posts
I'm still on 11s, mechnical, clincher/tubular and rim brake on my two road bikes and TT bike. I feel my returns would be quite diminishing for my investment in any newer technology, at least for the relatively light and easy cycling conditions that we have in San Diego. I do enjoy tubeless and discs on my MTB, where I think we can all agree it makes a much bigger difference.
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
#224
Not actually Tmonk
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,478
Bikes: road, track, mtb
Liked 3,448 Times
in
1,806 Posts
Queue "Closing Time" by Semisonic.
Without having read through the whole thread, I think the returns on hydro discs are greater if you have access to more mountains and/or wet weather more regularly than what we do in San Diego. If I was right under the San Gabrels or San Bernardino mountains in LA, maybe I'd consider switching over. But then again I don't particularly love climbing (or descending) so maybe not haha
Without having read through the whole thread, I think the returns on hydro discs are greater if you have access to more mountains and/or wet weather more regularly than what we do in San Diego. If I was right under the San Gabrels or San Bernardino mountains in LA, maybe I'd consider switching over. But then again I don't particularly love climbing (or descending) so maybe not haha
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
Likes For TMonk:
#225
Senior Member
Queue "Closing Time" by Semisonic.Without having read through the whole thread, I think the returns on hydro discs are greater if you have access to more mountains and/or wet weather more regularly than what we do in San Diego. If I was right under the San Gabrels or San Bernardino mountains in LA, maybe I'd consider switching over. But then again I don't particularly love climbing (or descending) so maybe not haha
Last edited by seypat; 09-27-21 at 08:32 AM.
Likes For seypat: