cudak888 

...or is it just a special Hetchins edition?





This Giro-Touring is one of the bikes I pulled out of the pile this Saturday, in an excursion to some of the local shops up north. Full thread is here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ted-531-a.html

This Woodrup was priced well for what it is, so I picked it up for the bits, the bobs, and to have fun trying out the limits of cold-setting. Given that there's already a small kink in the chainstay at the peak of the bend, it is genuinely beyond repair without having the stay replaced. That doesn't mean I can't have a bit of fun with it.

It's a shame, as this is a genuinely gorgeous frameset with the typically understated and outstanding lugwork as you'd expect.







Perhaps one of the most striking (pun not intended) elements of whatever caused the damage here is how the rear rim was literally ground in half. Look at the perfectly cross-sectioned spoke nipple. No sign of the Presta valve.





Early three-piece Phil hubs with their traditional Allen key nuts:






Evidence of the seat tube shifting can be seen in the crinkling of paint on the seattube, just above the bottom bracket.

cudak888 

"Laterally stiff, yet vertically uncompliant."






The left-side Campagnolo 1010A got a shave and a goth makeover:



"Will 650B's fit?"



-Kurt

m.c. 

Was it dragged under a car? I can't think of anything else that would have ground the wheel down like that.

52telecaster

Ouch.

cudak888 

No idea of the crash history, but it does appear as if the dropout and the shaved part of the rim scraped against something fairly narrow, but highly abrasive. Asphalt is a possibility.

One spoke is broken in the front wheel too.

-Kurt

Road Fan

I have one just like that but 52 cm - a great ride. I know one builder down there … Mike Terraferma. I don’t know if e does much i repairs but he builds a great frame.

Bad Lag

That frame is scrap.

You could think about replacing the rear triangle but even the bottom bracket shell looks deformed (note the crack lines in the paint).

Save the hubs.

Burn that seat in a fire!

Any insight into what happened?

Mr. 66

That will buff out... dang!

If that was mine or a freebie from the coop, I actually think it would be fun to try and deconstruct the damage. It looks like it got under bumper and was pushed along.

stardognine

Well, we can't really say "Fork's bent", because that looks fine. 🙄 I wouldn't try any jumps on that thing though. 😁 😉

dddd

I found myself imagining that it was on a folding bike rack, the ones where the rack can be tilted down for access to a tailgate.

Maybe the hinge lock failed, the pin fell out or whatever, and the entire rack and bike slammed downward?

Nice "machining"!!!

Looks like a parts donor to me, sadly, but you know when such however-damaged bikes are found at very low cost, it's only because the accident happened, so it's win-win for you.

3alarmer 

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...fork looks OK in the photos, and it has plenty of steerer tube on it. Where I am, nice forks like that are getting harder and harder to find.

SoccerBallXan

Doctor, doctor! Any plans?

E: Aaaaaand this is why I deal with bikes not people's health...

Spaghetti Legs 

Should be fine, that’s what horizontal dropouts are for; fine tuning away those minor imperfections. You could also leave as is if you don’t mind riding in right hand circles.

Kabuki12

I am glad I wasn’t the rider when this bike got “bent”. Nice bunch of parts though and worth the effort. I just acquired another set of those Phil hubs laced to a set of Mavic wheels . They really are nice hubs .

gearbasher

My guess: Dragged by a car with the rear wheel grinding on a concrete curb.

Drillium Dude 

Hit from behind, then dragged, is my guess. Really did a number on that rim.

Betcha gugie could make that frame right again (and 650Bs will fit afterwards, too)!

DD

cudak888 

Mike is nearby and a close friend. I'm sure his first question will be "what piece of junk have you got for the frametable this time, Kurt?" He wouldn't necessarily be wrong, given the Raleigh DL-5 we've had on the table before

Fork escaped unharmed, but one spoke did go in front. Haven't checked to see if it pulled from the rim or just split.



I didn't think about the possibility of a curb. The bike would have had to be flipped almost parallel with the road surface for it to damage the rim in this spot though, and though the left brake lever has some road rash, the foam never hit the ground.

The Pyramid hobo saddle does have a chunk out of it though.

Oh, I have the "Leo" Bottecchia if I want to keep scratching the 650B itch.

I know Mark could fix it, no doubt. The left chainstay isn't really damaged too bad either; I think this could get away with the right chainstay replaced and the left 1010A dropout.

If this is silver soldered and not brazed, it may even be possible to pull the chainstay remains out of the BB without having to cut it and die grind it out, though it's probably safer to go the die ground route regardless.

-Kurt

Mad Honk 

Kurt,
You teasing me about that front end again? Smiles, MH

bikingshearer 

That frame would be a good test bed for experiments in DIY painting, lug lining, etc. As you mentioned, it could also be a test bed for the limits of "cold setting." It might even cold set enough to make it into a shop chair. Lots of fun possibilities here. Too bad none of them include actually, you know, riding it.

cudak888 

If the cold-setting is truly successful, I may see about replacing the stay and the dropout. There's got to be a tall rider out there who's currently Woodrupless.

-Kurt

verktyg 

Both of those chain stays are beyond the point of no return for straightening or "Cold Setting". They have been deformed - bent to the point where when straightening, they are likely to crack or break in the zone where the most deformation has occurred (if not at the time of the attempt surely some time later in use). Having straitened a lot of metal, thin walled tubes are likely to start collapsing. Not even going to get into residual stresses and so on...

If the rest of the frame is not too far out of alignment then replacing the rear triangle is a reasonable solution if you can find someone to do the work inexpensively. Replace and respray $300-$600???

But... in the first picture, the BB appears to be severely distorted. Steel scrap doesn't bring much these days.

verktyg

Fredo76

I think that wheel rim spent some time trapped under the wheel of a car or truck as it slid to a stop. The right bumper of something hit the right chainstay, and the wheel rim ended up under the vehicle tire, is my guess. Ouch is right.

SurferRosa

Bring it into your lbs like that and tell 'em you need a new chain.

mech986 

Wonder if it was hit by a motorcycle as there seems to be one upward vector of impact against the right chain stay? The other possibility is rider error on a long or steep descent with a fall to the right and the rear wheel literally stopped (braking or stay impact) and dragging on the ground or a curb before hitting something hard (tree, pole, etc.) or vice-versa. I wouldn’t assume the current position of the rear wheel is where it got scraped / ground down. One support of this theory is the bars and grips didn’t get damaged because the rider took the brunt of the fall and never allowed the left or right side of the frame to hit the ground. Did either of the pedals sustain any damage. If so, I’d wonder if the crank arms are twisted, bent, or cracked?

I’d check the frame for any signs of blood. I suspect the rider may have looked superficially worse than the frame. Check inside the bars for any ID.

jdawginsc 

Wait...what's wrong with it?