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Great quote from Albert Eisentraut on what we really should all be doing...
“Bicycles are not built to be used as status symbols. The cyclist should ride his chosen bike, instead of bull-****ting about its angles or its chain stay length” — Albert Eisentraut, the conclusion ( p. 161 ) of his chapter 'The Frame' in Bike Tripping, by Tom Cuthbertson (1972). Asterisks inserted by BF forum software, obviously not in original... ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
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“Bicycles are not built to be used as status symbols. The cyclist should ride his chosen bike, instead of bull-****ting about its angles or its chain stay length” — Albert Eisentraut, the conclusion ( p. 161 ) of his chapter 'The Frame' in Bike Tripping, by Tom Cuthbertson (1972). Asterisks inserted by BF forum software, obviously not in original... ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
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Make the t-shirt. Wear it at the coffee shop while sitting around bull****ing about your bike. See if anyone gets the irony.
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Bike Tripping is my all-time favorite bicycle related book. It is the book that took me from a kid with a bike to a kid with a touring bike. Just so happens to be I am re-reading that very chapter at this time. I never tire of the commentary, drawings and explanations.
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Albert was also quoted somewhere, Bicycle Guide I think, to the effect that nobody should take up bike frame building if you think its going to get you laid.
To which I had to reply "well if it doesn't, then you're not doing it right!"
I met my wife when she came in to the frame shop where I worked, after a training ride with her racing team. She wouldn't have talked to me if I had been a lowly mechanic! That was 43 years ago, still married (and she still rides a lot more than I do.)
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To which I had to reply "well if it doesn't, then you're not doing it right!"
I met my wife when she came in to the frame shop where I worked, after a training ride with her racing team. She wouldn't have talked to me if I had been a lowly mechanic! That was 43 years ago, still married (and she still rides a lot more than I do.)
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Met my wife in an e-chat back in the tantruming toddlerhood of the Internet. She'd never ridden a bike in her life when we met. Good news: no bad habits. 25+ years and thousands of miles later, alas her knees don't let her ride, but we have many happy rolling memories. And I keep her bikes maintained for when we can finally get her a set of decent replacement knees (even if we have to settle for SunRace instead of Campagnolo).
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How do you make a post about TODAY's ride on a C&V forum? How do you BS about the riding in a manner that is interesting and engaging for the readers?
If you have to stop and take pictures, you lose the riding. In addition, I ride the same roads every day, so where's the ongoing interest in that?
I ride for exercise, fresh air and sunshine. I don't ride to be a media specialist, influencer, Instagram star,...
Just ride! Riding is life.
P.S. - I've had my bike frame for almost 50 years. I wonder how many miles it has on it. :-)
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The impertinence of marrying above your station. Another sign of our decaying culture. ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I learned the hard way dating withing the bike group typically ended badly, as nearly all of them left me for someone faster.
Met my wife in an e-chat back in the tantruming toddlerhood of the Internet. She'd never ridden a bike in her life when we met. Good news: no bad habits. 25+ years and thousands of miles later, alas her knees don't let her ride, but we have many happy rolling memories. And I keep her bikes maintained for when we can finally get her a set of decent replacement knees (even if we have to settle for SunRace instead of Campagnolo).
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I learned the hard way dating withing the bike group typically ended badly, as nearly all of them left me for someone faster.
Met my wife in an e-chat back in the tantruming toddlerhood of the Internet. She'd never ridden a bike in her life when we met. Good news: no bad habits. 25+ years and thousands of miles later, alas her knees don't let her ride, but we have many happy rolling memories. And I keep her bikes maintained for when we can finally get her a set of decent replacement knees (even if we have to settle for SunRace instead of Campagnolo).
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Portland last summer.
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The impertinence of marrying above your station. Another sign of our decaying culture. ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I learned the hard way dating withing the bike group typically ended badly, as nearly all of them left me for someone faster.
Met my wife in an e-chat back in the tantruming toddlerhood of the Internet. She'd never ridden a bike in her life when we met. Good news: no bad habits. 25+ years and thousands of miles later, alas her knees don't let her ride, but we have many happy rolling memories. And I keep her bikes maintained for when we can finally get her a set of decent replacement knees (even if we have to settle for SunRace instead of Campagnolo).
![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I learned the hard way dating withing the bike group typically ended badly, as nearly all of them left me for someone faster.
Met my wife in an e-chat back in the tantruming toddlerhood of the Internet. She'd never ridden a bike in her life when we met. Good news: no bad habits. 25+ years and thousands of miles later, alas her knees don't let her ride, but we have many happy rolling memories. And I keep her bikes maintained for when we can finally get her a set of decent replacement knees (even if we have to settle for SunRace instead of Campagnolo).
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Portland last summer.
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I learned the hard way dating withing the bike group typically ended badly, as nearly all of them left me for someone faster.
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“Bicycles are not built to be used as status symbols. The cyclist should ride his chosen bike, instead of bull-****ting about its angles or its chain stay length” — Albert Eisentraut, the conclusion ( p. 161 ) of his chapter 'The Frame' in Bike Tripping, by Tom Cuthbertson (1972). Asterisks inserted by BF forum software, obviously not in original... ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
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I was re-reading that chapter today after spending time ogling the 1977 Eisentraut I recently acquired. This quote resonates -- I'm going to post it in my basement bike cave -- perhaps I need a t-shirt or a jersey with this on it?
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“Bicycles are not built to be used as status symbols. The cyclist should ride his chosen bike, instead of bull-****ting about its angles or its chain stay length” — Albert Eisentraut, the conclusion ( p. 161 ) of his chapter 'The Frame' in Bike Tripping, by Tom Cuthbertson (1972).
However...that's laughably hypocritical from someone whose specialty was to build custom frames with unbelievable fillets, through-the-top-tube cable routing, and wishbone seatstays. The very thing we love bull-****ing and obsessing about here at C&V.
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He's not wrong.
However...that's laughably hypocritical from someone whose specialty was to build custom frames with unbelievable fillets, through-the-top-tube cable routing, and wishbone seatstays. The very thing we love bull-****ing and obsessing about here at C&V.
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However...that's laughably hypocritical from someone whose specialty was to build custom frames with unbelievable fillets, through-the-top-tube cable routing, and wishbone seatstays. The very thing we love bull-****ing and obsessing about here at C&V.
-Kurt
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[MENTION=40306]cudak888[/MENTION], I was wondering if I was the only one who found that statement a bit ironic. Without the context of the rest of the book/chapter, I refrained from saying so. Outside of competitive cyclists, isn't that what a custom bicycle is, at least partially?
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[MENTION=40306]cudak888[/MENTION], I was wondering if I was the only one who found that statement a bit ironic. Without the context of the rest of the book/chapter, I refrained from saying so. Outside of competitive cyclists, isn't that what a custom bicycle is, at least partially?
Still, given the stuff Eisentraut put out, it's a bit amusing. Had he also been assembling complete workhorses, like Doug Fattic's Ukranian utility bikes, I'd respect the claim a bit more on a general level.
One could say that there is purpose in a custom frame to fit some body types which are poorly suited to anything off the shelf, though when you think about it, this applies to very tall or shorter individuals, for the most part. When you consider the in between, there's rarely a practical excuse for a custom frame provided one has picked out the right size from an off-the-shelf build. An appropriate stem and bar can go a long way and be a lot cheaper.
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Just to note, this thread just cost me 65 bucks. went online for a copy of Anybody's Bike book and ended up with that and a book on bread and another on pizza all for a 4 dollar used bike book
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Not ********ting about chain stay length is fine and good until you're pissing yourself over a shimmy while descending a hill on a heavily loaded racing bike
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my favorite Eisentraut quote: "I wonder why you just don't grow up."
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