Sweaty 1950s? Cinelli info
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Sweaty 1950s? Cinelli info
just picked up this sweaty cinelli. my main interest is 1920s 30s track bikes although I have a few road bikes. I couldn't pass up this cinelli, I've always wanted an earlier one. this bike has sat for years rode hard and put away wet, just how I like them. yesterday I couldn't spell cinelli, now I are and authority...just kidding. from what I've read I believe it's from the 50s. I'm trying to determine the year and what's original to the bike. I'm sure the stem and prob the bars have been changed out, every thing else I can prob live with. I can't imagine the girardengo cranks are original but look period. campy gran sport, campy hubs on clement rims. any insight input or commets appreciated....thanks
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Very cool, fantastic get, glad you scooped this up.
Assume it will get a sympathetic clean up and internal refurb/refresh remaining as original as possible?
Despite how rough it seems, I suspect it will clean up very well.
Very cool, fantastic get, glad you scooped this up.
Assume it will get a sympathetic clean up and internal refurb/refresh remaining as original as possible?
Despite how rough it seems, I suspect it will clean up very well.
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yes, fork crown would indicate a model b
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having the Cinelli headset complete and unmolested a big plus
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chainset appears it may be Gnutti
bottom bracket spindle special as shell is 74mm in width
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in addition to the dural Clement rims the cycle wears Clement also produced wood tubular rims
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saddle pillar appears to be plain, is that correct?
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iab . martl
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yes, fork crown would indicate a model b
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having the Cinelli headset complete and unmolested a big plus
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chainset appears it may be Gnutti
bottom bracket spindle special as shell is 74mm in width
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in addition to the dural Clement rims the cycle wears Clement also produced wood tubular rims
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saddle pillar appears to be plain, is that correct?
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iab . martl
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Nice one. One day I'll have a bike under me that will look right with a couple tubulars over my shoulders.
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thanks, I think it will clean up pretty well, especially the chrome. I think I can live with the compnets aside from the stem and maybe the bars. I'd like to know the year, ive looked at the cinelli registry..... juv, i think the saddle post is un marked but I haven't had it apart yet
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konakai-
You might find this site helpful: Cinelli Only
You might find this site helpful: Cinelli Only
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Cool bike. (except the stem and bars, you should get something classier )
My initial guess is 1955-1958. But there a re few things to clarify that. Do you know where the bike was originally purchased? What is the distance between the headbadge screws, center to center? Can you post a picture of the serial number?
My initial guess is 1955-1958. But there a re few things to clarify that. Do you know where the bike was originally purchased? What is the distance between the headbadge screws, center to center? Can you post a picture of the serial number?
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Great score. I look forward to seeing how it cleans up. There is a great source for dating Cinellis on the Velo Retro website. It is a fountain of good info. Based on it . . .
I concur that the flat fork crown means it's almost certainly a Model B. It is possible that someone put a SC frame with an identically painted Model B fork, but the likelihood of that happening is perishingly small. The absence of a Reynolds 531 sticker also suggests a Model B, which had Falck or Vitus or some such tubing. (Cinelli used 531 on the SC until the early 1960s, then switched to Columbus)
The "wolf's ear" head lugs means 1950s. According to Velo Retro, these lugs faded from use c.1959-60. The components also say "1950s" to me.
The head badge may help narrow it down a bit further. Here's what Velo Retro has to say:
1958
The large enamel paint-filled brass with silver-plate 56mm head badge is discontinued, replaced by a smaller enamel paint-filled brass with silver-plate 51mm head badge. There are isolated examples of the 56mm head badge being used up until 1964.
I hope this helps. Regardless, you have a real gem on your hands.
I concur that the flat fork crown means it's almost certainly a Model B. It is possible that someone put a SC frame with an identically painted Model B fork, but the likelihood of that happening is perishingly small. The absence of a Reynolds 531 sticker also suggests a Model B, which had Falck or Vitus or some such tubing. (Cinelli used 531 on the SC until the early 1960s, then switched to Columbus)
The "wolf's ear" head lugs means 1950s. According to Velo Retro, these lugs faded from use c.1959-60. The components also say "1950s" to me.
The head badge may help narrow it down a bit further. Here's what Velo Retro has to say:
1958
The large enamel paint-filled brass with silver-plate 56mm head badge is discontinued, replaced by a smaller enamel paint-filled brass with silver-plate 51mm head badge. There are isolated examples of the 56mm head badge being used up until 1964.
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Mid-to-late 1950s. Great find!
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Awesome. Where did you find it?
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Please more before and when you have time, many after clean up shots. Cleaning this one up will be a real treat. Also, please register your Ciinelli in The Cinelli Registry, www.thecinelliregistry.com.
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Cool bike. (except the stem and bars, you should get something classier )
My initial guess is 1955-1958. But there a re few things to clarify that. Do you know where the bike was originally purchased? What is the distance between the headbadge screws, center to center? Can you post a picture of the serial number?
My initial guess is 1955-1958. But there a re few things to clarify that. Do you know where the bike was originally purchased? What is the distance between the headbadge screws, center to center? Can you post a picture of the serial number?
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I bought the bike in st louis, I'd like to determine the exact year of the bike if that's possible. I've looked at the cinelli registry and can't make much sense of the numbers, they seem to be all over the place
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3-digit Mod B. Don't see that often. Cool. Decal set is something else you don't see often. I'm still leaning 55-58. US import. Still need that headbadge measurement. Also, your hubs are the "feathered" version which in general point to pre-1957.
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That is an alternate place Cinelli put serial numbers. You got them everywhere.
And what it illustrates is there is really no rhyme nor reason to the serial numbers.
And what it illustrates is there is really no rhyme nor reason to the serial numbers.
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Another question. Are the dropouts Simplex or Campagnolo?
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by the registry a four digit number makes more sense, I can see and have seen multiple stampings, not on cinelli, it's my first, but wouldn't or shouldnt the numbers be the same
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It is my understanding that the Cinelli front office (accounting/operations) told the frame builder what serial number should be stamped on the bottom bracket. The framebuilder did what they were told. One would think that management would follow some standard GAAP procedures but in the case of Cinelli, that was not the case in general. Many serial numbers out of sequence for various reasons, reasons we may never nail down.
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It is my understanding that the Cinelli front office (accounting/operations) told the frame builder what serial number should be stamped on the bottom bracket. The framebuilder did what they were told. One would think that management would follow some standard GAAP procedures but in the case of Cinelli, that was not the case in general. Many serial numbers out of sequence for various reasons, reasons we may never nail down.
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