View Poll Results: If a car has a green light should you cross in front of them, even if waved to go?
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I HATE when cyclists stop cars with a green light
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Feel free to disagree. That's what forums are about.
However, please accept that we live in different worlds, and therefore will see things differently. I focus my concerns on my own actions, and don't feel compelled to "correct" others. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or condone their actions, simply that they fall into the very wide gap between what I endorse and what I'm willing to fret over.
However, please accept that we live in different worlds, and therefore will see things differently. I focus my concerns on my own actions, and don't feel compelled to "correct" others. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or condone their actions, simply that they fall into the very wide gap between what I endorse and what I'm willing to fret over.
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Feel free to disagree. That's what forums are about.
However, please accept that we live in different worlds, and therefore will see things differently. I focus my concerns on my own actions, and don't feel compelled to "correct" others. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or condone their actions, simply that they fall into the very wide gap between what I endorse and what I feel warrants my involvement.
However, please accept that we live in different worlds, and therefore will see things differently. I focus my concerns on my own actions, and don't feel compelled to "correct" others. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or condone their actions, simply that they fall into the very wide gap between what I endorse and what I feel warrants my involvement.
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Just throwing this in here for general interest: When a motorist with the right-of-way politely waves me on to cross in front of them I DO NOT make eye contact. I put both feet on the ground, fiddle with my GPS, check my helmet strap buckle, gaze skyward at the airplane overhead, etc. There is no room for misinterpreting my ambivalence to crossing the street in front of them.
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I absolutely do not feel a need to criticize or "educate" others, while you do. So, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you can live your way, and I'll happily live my way.
So, different world.
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Sorry, apparently, I should have been clearer. Yes, we live in the same physical world, but also in very different metaphorical worlds, separated by space, local culture, and personal philosophies.
I absolutely do not feel a need to criticize or "educate" others, while you do. So, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you can live your way, and I'll happily live my way.
So, different world.
I absolutely do not feel a need to criticize or "educate" others, while you do. So, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you can live your way, and I'll happily live my way.
So, different world.
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As for what others do, they don't ask for or need my permission, so I'm happy to let them do what they will anyway. So, you can feel free to be everybody's mother in law, but count me out.
Now, know that my live and let live attitude distresses and/or offends you and some others here, but guess what. I don't care about that either.
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No, I know that I'm a newly landed alien, but I'm not saying that. I described what I do, which is to let the situation guide my decision.
As for what others do, they don't ask for or need my permission, so I'm happy to let them do what they will anyway. So, you can feel free to be everybody's mother in law, but count me out.
Now, know that my live and let live attitude distresses and/or offends you and some others here, but guess what. I don't care about that either.
As for what others do, they don't ask for or need my permission, so I'm happy to let them do what they will anyway. So, you can feel free to be everybody's mother in law, but count me out.
Now, know that my live and let live attitude distresses and/or offends you and some others here, but guess what. I don't care about that either.
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So, try to imagine what my reaction might have been if you witnessed me "trangressing" and called me out. Then, imagine what I might be thinking now.
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It's too late and the system is too far gone. I honestly don't care about anything anymore. I have started acting like there are no rules to the road and I own it. Not trying to be a troll but sick of bike lanes, sick of shoulders, sick of traffic lights and incompetence on the powers that be that make commutes more and more difficult. The truth is that all of this can be fixed with traffic circles. I remember how easy it was to drive around maybe 10-20 years ago and the road system has been changed to pen you in stopped in pretty little lines that go nowhere. Awful. It's gotten to the point where biking places is almost as fast as driving BUT with biking I mix business and pleasure because instead of sitting on my butt I also use that time to exercise freeing up time later on to do other things.
I almost feel an obligation to make cars hate cyclists to they will vote against more of those God awful bike lanes that make everything worse for everyone and just narrow down the road. It was better when the roads were wider, bigger and allowed more free range for cars, pedestrians and bicycles. The changes of the last 10-15 years have made it worse for everyone involved without providing any improvements. Just like the rest of society and the economy and work it's an inexporable process of incorporating the worst elements of both socialism and capitalism getting rid of the advantages of either system; nothing you can do. But at least police where I live do not enforce bicycles at all so I get free reign and taking full advantage of it. I use flat bar gravel bike with 650b tires to commute it's quick enough and very controllable, helps me hop curbs and get on side walks or go across patches of sand or use power line access roads as shortcuts when needed. Acting like its totally lawless and everyone is my enemy trying to grab everything I can to deny it to everyone else like a sociopath on two wheels is all I can do to adapt as I am sick of waiting in pretty little lines going nowhere fast which didn't have to happen. Such is the world where we live. I am afraid for my kids the next step is probably chipping people but we're 90% there with the phones; that's another story.
I almost feel an obligation to make cars hate cyclists to they will vote against more of those God awful bike lanes that make everything worse for everyone and just narrow down the road. It was better when the roads were wider, bigger and allowed more free range for cars, pedestrians and bicycles. The changes of the last 10-15 years have made it worse for everyone involved without providing any improvements. Just like the rest of society and the economy and work it's an inexporable process of incorporating the worst elements of both socialism and capitalism getting rid of the advantages of either system; nothing you can do. But at least police where I live do not enforce bicycles at all so I get free reign and taking full advantage of it. I use flat bar gravel bike with 650b tires to commute it's quick enough and very controllable, helps me hop curbs and get on side walks or go across patches of sand or use power line access roads as shortcuts when needed. Acting like its totally lawless and everyone is my enemy trying to grab everything I can to deny it to everyone else like a sociopath on two wheels is all I can do to adapt as I am sick of waiting in pretty little lines going nowhere fast which didn't have to happen. Such is the world where we live. I am afraid for my kids the next step is probably chipping people but we're 90% there with the phones; that's another story.
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Man you guys can argue about ANYTHING. Yes, I'm talking about when a cyclist aggressively tries to cross an intersection with a crosswalk, when the crosswalk light is red, and cars have a green light. You're not a cop, you can't stop traffic with a green light. Unclip your freaking pedals. And NO, it's not ok for you to go if cars with a green light wave you on, because cars who are behind that car assume they don't have to stop since it's a green light and may slam into the back of the car "being nice".
So first you scream at him for being argumentative for agreeing with you about cyclists running red lights, but then he's argumentative because he doesn't buy your argument about cars that yield "their" right of way?
Simmer down Jack, you're off the rails.
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I disagree completely. If cars are approaching with a green light at a crosswalk where you as a cyclist or pedestrian have a red crosswalk light. Don't cross. Even if they wave you on. Because now, this driver who waves you on thinks they must yield to cyclists and pedestrians at all crosswalks even when the have a green light. I almost hit a kid recently on a bike in this exact scenario as I was driving. I had a green light at a crosswalk and he must have thought he had the right of way no matter what since it was a crosswalk. Had to slam on my brakes and swerve to the side to not hit him. He and I were both shook.
It's absurd to connect the one incident as having any relationship to the other. I'm not assuming drivers are Pavlov's dog and I'm conditioning them. If they're waving me on, they obviously know it isn't "expected".
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I'm sensing that you think you're a mind reader, what with all the interpretations of guilty looks, divining the source of a kid's misbehavior at a crosswalk, and now this person's actual beliefs.
Odd that you're so good at mind reading when your actual reading comprehension is obviously very poor. You can't even tell when someone is agreeing with you.
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If I'm at a 4 way intersection, can see clearly behind and around the car where a driver is waving me through, and can see that there is literally NO OTHER TRAFFIC, I am not going to sit there and wait for the light to change. That situation seems completely safe to me, and to me your assumption that this somehow corrupts the driver's future driving skills is the silly assumption that makes 2+2=5.
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I almost feel an obligation to make cars hate cyclists to they will vote against more of those God awful bike lanes that make everything worse for everyone and just narrow down the road. It was better when the roads were wider, bigger and allowed more free range for cars, pedestrians and bicycles. .
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If I'm at a 4 way intersection, can see clearly behind and around the car where a driver is waving me through, and can see that there is literally NO OTHER TRAFFIC, I am not going to sit there and wait for the light to change. That situation seems completely safe to me, and to me your assumption that this somehow corrupts the driver's future driving skills is the silly assumption that makes 2+2=5.
If there are no cars at all in sight. Then go, I'm fine with that. Even in this case, I sometimes just wait for the green crosswalk light. I was once at a crosswalk waiting for the green. On the opposite side of the street, there were 3 little girls with their tiny little bikes and tiny little helmets waiting to cross as well. I waited for the green, even though the coast was clear. I didn't want to instill any bad habits in them.
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I don't know why you think you are a better judge of these traffic situations than we are. I know how to tell when there is no other traffic. The biggest danger in this situation is when the stopped vehicle is screening your view. If there's any possibility of that happening, I won't go. But I'm not going to let some internet rando's neuroses about teaching drivers bad lessons influence that decision.
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Maybe people agree maybe people disagree maybe they are remaining neutral but to fight them all just seems to not make sense. I get it you are new here you have a lot of strong opinions like many of us and you want to share them as if they are etched in stone but maybe relax a little. Just a little go for a bike ride maybe or do something to get your mind off of this. For me it is Diablo III for you it might be something else but it helps to even out. I have been dealing with the loss of a friend and my job as a result but I have done my best to keep myself on the rails and it isn't easy but you gotta try.
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I was crossing 90 degrees from them at the intersection and after I saw them stopping cars with a green traffic light, I told them they can't stop cars with a green light. One of the guys quickly looked at me with a guilty glance and everyone else who had stopped seemed to agree. Are you REALLY trying to tell me that it's okay for cyclists with a red light at a crosswalk has the right of way over car at the same intersection with a green light???
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"I was crossing 90 degrees from them at the intersection and after I saw them stopping cars with a green traffic light, I told them they can't stop cars with a green light. One of the guys quickly looked at me with a guilty glance and everyone else who had stopped seemed to agree."
I love how you LITERALLY quoted everything in my post that didn't answer your question.
"I was crossing 90 degrees from them at the intersection and after I saw them stopping cars with a green traffic light, I told them they can't stop cars with a green light. One of the guys quickly looked at me with a guilty glance and everyone else who had stopped seemed to agree."
I love how you LITERALLY quoted everything in my post that didn't answer your question.
Man, you just can't make this up! The irony.....
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That said, you mentioned crosswalks multiple times. Why so much focus on what the crosswalk signal is indicating? We (bike riders) are vehicles, not pedestrians. Our movement is governed by traffic signals, same as it is for cars.
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