Date this early Bianchi
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Date this early Bianchi
Anyone come close to the year on this bianchi. I think its a city or tourist type model. I know its not high end has a hodge podge of wrong parts. The altenburger green anodized hubs are kind of fun and has campy track pedals. Just curious of year...thanks in advance
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OK, the integral head tube is definitely a Bianchi thing, but I was surprised to see Legnano-style seat binder bolt placement. The all-digits serial number is a surprise to me, as well, because both my low-end 1962 (2F51703) and my mid-grade 1982 (1.M9916) have a year (digit), month/fortnight (letter), series number (all digits) S/N format. Someone who knows more about Bianchis can help us out here. 1964 model, perhaps?
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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From what I dimly remember of the Legnano examples in the local bike shop in the mid-'60's, the Legnano pinch bolt was positioned inside the seat tube/top tube junction, not above the top tube.
A couple of interesting features: tubular wheels, making this perhaps the equivalent of the Gitane Interclub model for novice racers, and Altenburger dual-pivot brakes, seldom seen outside Internet archive websites.
Fork may be a bit bent. Hard to tell.
A couple of interesting features: tubular wheels, making this perhaps the equivalent of the Gitane Interclub model for novice racers, and Altenburger dual-pivot brakes, seldom seen outside Internet archive websites.
Fork may be a bit bent. Hard to tell.
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Bianchi could have used 44XXXX in 1936 and 1952. With the seat post binding bolt in front of the seat tube, it would be 1936 as it was behind the seat post in 1952. In 1936, the only road bike in their catalog was the Bovet, and that frame is most definitely not the Bovet.
In short, I have no idea about the bike in question.
On a side note, Legnano did have the seat post binding bolt below the top tube except for 1925. That was the only year it was above the top tube. Fun fact.
In short, I have no idea about the bike in question.
On a side note, Legnano did have the seat post binding bolt below the top tube except for 1925. That was the only year it was above the top tube. Fun fact.
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Take good care of that steel Campy seatpost, they're worth a lot to collectors. They were only made in the '50s, so if original, that helps date the bike. But I wouldn't expect a Campy seatpost on a bike with a kickstand plate for a chainstay bridge, so probably not original.
Grease the headset, 'cuz replacements are hard to find. Not impossible; I used to have two NIB (probably found on ebay), but I sold one so only one "in stock" now.
One of the boxed sets I had said EB on it, but it wasn't Eduardo Bianchi, it was Emilio Bozzi. The other wasn't Bianchi-branded either, I wanna say FB maybe? But it had "Tipo Bianchi" (Bianchi type) rubber-stamped on the box. Both of those are much lower quality than the the one on my ~'61 Specialissima. It had some indents, so I was looking for a replacement, couldn't find anything top-quality despite searching for around 20 years. All I found were these cheaper ones like for city bikes. So I had the Specialissima races reground and polished by a specialist, then they were super-smooth.
I agree with you, the green Altenburger hubs are really cool, nice find.
Mark B
Grease the headset, 'cuz replacements are hard to find. Not impossible; I used to have two NIB (probably found on ebay), but I sold one so only one "in stock" now.
One of the boxed sets I had said EB on it, but it wasn't Eduardo Bianchi, it was Emilio Bozzi. The other wasn't Bianchi-branded either, I wanna say FB maybe? But it had "Tipo Bianchi" (Bianchi type) rubber-stamped on the box. Both of those are much lower quality than the the one on my ~'61 Specialissima. It had some indents, so I was looking for a replacement, couldn't find anything top-quality despite searching for around 20 years. All I found were these cheaper ones like for city bikes. So I had the Specialissima races reground and polished by a specialist, then they were super-smooth.
I agree with you, the green Altenburger hubs are really cool, nice find.
Mark B
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are you able to read the small yellow-gold transfer beneath the water bottle holder?
appears the second word may be "LUXE"...
pillar first shown at the Milano show in late nineteen fifty-five
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are you able to read the small yellow-gold transfer beneath the water bottle holder?
appears the second word may be "LUXE"...
pillar first shown at the Milano show in late nineteen fifty-five
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Yea im curious on year and model i thought maybe somewhere in the 50s. Im sure its a town tourist type of frame which really isnt my cup of tea as compared to a true racer, but you dont always get what you want but what you deserve. Its a cool bike with the paint and decals hanging in there for its age. As I said before I know its not a high end model whatever it is, just an interesting local find that cost me about the price of the brooks saddle on it
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Would it Probably Have had cottered cranks, rustic derailleurs and straight bars/stem?
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SO as it turns out, my brain doesn't work. 44XXXX can indeed be 1952 with the binding bolt in front of the seat tube. I owned 2 Bianchis from 1953 with the same feature. Duh.
Sport bikes did have the internal routing for the rear brake. But they also had a tab for a chain guard, which is not on this bike. So I change my answer to 1952.
Sport bikes did have the internal routing for the rear brake. But they also had a tab for a chain guard, which is not on this bike. So I change my answer to 1952.
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SO as it turns out, my brain doesn't work. 44XXXX can indeed be 1952 with the binding bolt in front of the seat tube. I owned 2 Bianchis from 1953 with the same feature. Duh.
Sport bikes did have the internal routing for the rear brake. But they also had a tab for a chain guard, which is not on this bike. So I change my answer to 1952.
Sport bikes did have the internal routing for the rear brake. But they also had a tab for a chain guard, which is not on this bike. So I change my answer to 1952.
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1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 Cannondale M500, 1984 Mercian, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi (model unknown), 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh International, 1998 Corratec Ap & Dun, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone
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That fork crown is identical to the one on the low-end 1962 Bianchi Corsa that was my first road bike, so 1950s is a distinct possibility. The 1952 suggestion in this thread seems to be the most credible to me. I have owned two Bianchis 20 years apart in date of manufacture, and don't pretend to be an expert on the marque.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069