Pondering what to use a Superbe Pro groupset on
09-18-23, 09:36 AM
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In the Long Ago, back when Dinosaurs rode the Earth and Before "Groupsets" existed, Huret dropouts meant a Huret Rear Derailleur, Simplex Dropouts required a Simplex Rear Derailleur, and Campagnolo GS dropouts a Campagnolo rear derailer... Huret shifter posts meant Huret downtube shifters. Cinelli stem meant Cinelli bars. And French anything meant Insanity, albeit French Insanity which may be difficult to discern from French Normality.
What the Factory specified could change daily and Catalogs made note of this: ask Gitane in the early 1970's. However, a Tdf would not leave the Factory with a Campagnolo RD on a Simplex hanger Because it was physically impossible and would not function.
The precedent of hanging bits which matched the bicycle's integrated hardware was set long before "Gruppos."
But suit yourself.
Don't Know, Don't care, Doesn't Matter.
What the Factory specified could change daily and Catalogs made note of this: ask Gitane in the early 1970's. However, a Tdf would not leave the Factory with a Campagnolo RD on a Simplex hanger Because it was physically impossible and would not function.
The precedent of hanging bits which matched the bicycle's integrated hardware was set long before "Gruppos."
But suit yourself.
Don't Know, Don't care, Doesn't Matter.
09-18-23, 10:06 AM
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Defenestrate Precedent, accept that some dealer somewhere can be paid enough to put anything on anything, and "Canon" is Meaningless.
09-18-23, 10:09 AM
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Notice how I started that post with if you want to be a purist. That means that a bike is correct if the dealer delivered that way. If you care for that "if", you care about canon. If you don't (I'm not all that big into it myself), then yes it is meaningless.
09-18-23, 10:45 AM
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Equating "being a purist" with "how the dealer delivered it" is facetious, ludicrous, and illogical. Also, silly. If a dealer delivered a bare frame by your way of thinking a purist would always keep it an unadorned frame? That mode of thought doesn't lead anywhere interesting.
If a framebuilder or designer specifies a certain type of dropout it can be a touchstone.
The 1973-ishy Carabela Pro sitting here has first generation Shimano Dura-Ace dropouts, so no Campagnolo on what is essentially a Cinelli "B." It has all first generation DA now, but is likely to have 7v mid range maybe RSX by Friday.
Not so much into "Purism" either.
However, do have an interesting frame of unknown provenance with Suntour GS DOs, so absent any other guide, will hang Suntour Superbe bits on it for fun Because why not?
You have a Superbe Pro group. Why not find a frame with Superbe Pro Dropouts?
(When you ain't got nothing else to go on, go on with what you got.)
09-18-23, 10:51 AM
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As I was organizing things I came across my box with a complete generation 2 Suntour Superbe Pro groupset. I even have the wheelset with the Superbe hubs for it. I think this was introduced in 1984. I currently don't have a frame to build up so I'm wondering what I should keep an eye out for. I like Fuji frames but they just feel more correct with Shimano.
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Gotta agree—if the OP doesn’t have a particular frame in mind, I’d be on the lookout for something with Superbe Pro dropouts.
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09-18-23, 11:05 AM
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<sigh emoji>
Equating "being a purist" with "how the dealer delivered it" is facetious, ludicrous, and illogical. Also, silly. If a dealer delivered a bare frame by your way of thinking a purist would always keep it an unadorned frame? That mode of thought doesn't lead anywhere interesting.
Equating "being a purist" with "how the dealer delivered it" is facetious, ludicrous, and illogical. Also, silly. If a dealer delivered a bare frame by your way of thinking a purist would always keep it an unadorned frame? That mode of thought doesn't lead anywhere interesting.
I'm not a purist so I'm not hell bent on doing any sort of factory specification bike.
09-18-23, 11:21 AM
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The Univega Competizione also came with Superbe groupset. In fact I am replacing the (partial) Superbe groupset off of mine with Shimano 600 now. I know - I feel bad for doing that, but I don't like friction shifting.The Superbe components have a really lithe and delicate look and feel.
09-18-23, 11:36 AM
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09-18-23, 11:59 AM
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09-18-23, 12:05 PM
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The Univega Competizione also came with Superbe groupset. In fact I am replacing the (partial) Superbe groupset off of mine with Shimano 600 now. I know - I feel bad for doing that, but I don't like friction shifting.The Superbe components have a really lithe and delicate look and feel.
09-18-23, 12:09 PM
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Groupsets were for the elite.
Back then, a non sponsored rider scrutinized every component and budget permitting, regardless of brand. For myself, took time to save up.
Purchased in 1982 a brand new Colnago Super frameset. I selected Superbe Pro for derailleurs, Modolo Professional brakeset, Campagnolo Record chainset with matched taper bottom bracket, ally Stronglight A9 (think) headset, Campy Record pedals, Cinelli cockpit with black pantographed stem, race day wheelset Campagnolo Record hubs w/ Galli tubulars. I lusted for the panto Colnago Campagnolo shifters but couldn't mentally justify the price in them. But, one day the shop owner gave me a nice discount for those cool shifters plus a team Del Tongo water bottle.
Awesome days ~
Back then, a non sponsored rider scrutinized every component and budget permitting, regardless of brand. For myself, took time to save up.
Purchased in 1982 a brand new Colnago Super frameset. I selected Superbe Pro for derailleurs, Modolo Professional brakeset, Campagnolo Record chainset with matched taper bottom bracket, ally Stronglight A9 (think) headset, Campy Record pedals, Cinelli cockpit with black pantographed stem, race day wheelset Campagnolo Record hubs w/ Galli tubulars. I lusted for the panto Colnago Campagnolo shifters but couldn't mentally justify the price in them. But, one day the shop owner gave me a nice discount for those cool shifters plus a team Del Tongo water bottle.
Awesome days ~
09-18-23, 02:44 PM
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09-18-23, 02:55 PM
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Groupsets were for the elite.
Back then, a non sponsored rider scrutinized every component and budget permitting, regardless of brand. For myself, took time to save up.
Purchased in 1982 a brand new Colnago Super frameset. I selected Superbe Pro for derailleurs, Modolo Professional brakeset, Campagnolo Record chainset with matched taper bottom bracket, ally Stronglight A9 (think) headset, Campy Record pedals, Cinelli cockpit with black pantographed stem, race day wheelset Campagnolo Record hubs w/ Galli tubulars. I lusted for the panto Colnago Campagnolo shifters but couldn't mentally justify the price in them. But, one day the shop owner gave me a nice discount for those cool shifters plus a team Del Tongo water bottle.
Awesome days ~
Back then, a non sponsored rider scrutinized every component and budget permitting, regardless of brand. For myself, took time to save up.
Purchased in 1982 a brand new Colnago Super frameset. I selected Superbe Pro for derailleurs, Modolo Professional brakeset, Campagnolo Record chainset with matched taper bottom bracket, ally Stronglight A9 (think) headset, Campy Record pedals, Cinelli cockpit with black pantographed stem, race day wheelset Campagnolo Record hubs w/ Galli tubulars. I lusted for the panto Colnago Campagnolo shifters but couldn't mentally justify the price in them. But, one day the shop owner gave me a nice discount for those cool shifters plus a team Del Tongo water bottle.
Awesome days ~
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