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Old 05-13-24, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kontact
...I have often been surprised what works. ...
I've told this story before, but I had Campagnolo 8 speed indexed DT shifters and a Shimano 8 speed hub/cassette and a Campy 8 speed RD. I had purchased a Shiftmate for that combination, but forgot to install it. It shifted fine, although by the specs of cable pull, sprocket spacing, etc., it really shouldn't have. I didn't even realize I'd forgotten the Shiftmate for a few hundred miles and was very surprised. I later completed the project by building a wheel with Campy 8 speed hub and cassette and it still shifted fine. Better? A more astute person might have determined that, but for me they both worked - crisp, accurate shifting, proper range up and down, nothing clunky at all.

Derailleurs are relatively cheap. Not a lot of reason to mix and match once you've spent the big money for the brifter.
Agree. Good used ones are inexpensive and are rarely worn at all if you're just a bit discerning, in my experience. And lower tier new ones work great and aren't expensive either.

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Originally Posted by KCT1986
The ST-7400 first hit the Shimano catalog for the 91 model year (catalog page attached, note the arrow on the FD arm). Protos were around earlier but no info on what they were like. If the protos uses the same pull as the commercial model it would have used some type of shorter arm FD. If it used the older long pull FD, it would need a larger cable take-up spool or longer 'throw'.

The other brifters did use the shorter pull and new FDs, my point in my prior post about why the change was made. Reread my reasoning for the change in FDs.

You said it had something to do with MTB components, and I don't get that. MTB index front derailleurs never had the same pull ratio as road index front derailleurs. Road index front derailleurs are based on the 7400 cable pull, which was established in 86, but is probably no different from earlier models in the DA and 600 lines. MTB cable pull ratio for the Deore line was established sometime in the '80s as well. So I'm not sure what you are connecting between them or what either have to do with the short lived long-throw road friction FDs of the late '80s.
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Originally Posted by Camilo
I've told this story before, but I had Campagnolo 8 speed indexed DT shifters and a Shimano 8 speed hub/cassette and a Campy 8 speed RD. I had purchased a Shiftmate for that combination, but forgot to install it. It shifted fine, although by the specs of cable pull, sprocket spacing, etc., it really shouldn't have. I didn't even realize I'd forgotten the Shiftmate for a few hundred miles and was very surprised. I later completed the project by building a wheel with Campy 8 speed hub and cassette and it still shifted fine. Better? A more astute person might have determined that, but for me they both worked - crisp, accurate shifting, proper range up and down, nothing clunky at all.



Agree. Good used ones are inexpensive and are rarely worn at all if you're just a bit discerning, in my experience. And lower tier new ones work great and aren't expensive either.
That worked because the .2mm difference between Campy and Shimano 8 speed spacing isn't significant compared to how wide the cogs are spaced. I have used Shimano 7 speed shifters on Shimano 8 speed cassettes and it also worked fine.

Once the spacing gets closer, like 9 or 10 speed, you'll see more issues trying to get one to index on the other.
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