Handlebars: Reise & Muller Supercharger 2
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Handlebars: Reise & Muller Supercharger 2
I am a bit of a fan of Jones H-Bar handlebars and have a set on my Salsa Mukluk, but Jones bars only come in 31.8mm bar diameter, and the Supercharger is 25.4 mm. Anyway, I was interested to know if any Supercharger owners had swapped out the stock bars for something else, and if yes, what and how has this worked for you?
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I have a couple of Jones H Bars, their standard and 2.5 riser. Keep in mind, these bars will somewhat shorten your reach, so you might want to consider a slightly longer stem length as well…
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I use Nitto Wavie Bars. They have the same sweep as the Jones Bars and the stem clamp area is 25.4 mm.
Benefit of the Nitto bars are it's lighter, made in Japan and the aluminum is heat treated for added strength. Bar specs are 660mm width with zero rise.
Bars can be purchased here: https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/271...to+wavie#attr=
Benefit of the Nitto bars are it's lighter, made in Japan and the aluminum is heat treated for added strength. Bar specs are 660mm width with zero rise.
Bars can be purchased here: https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/271...to+wavie#attr=
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Yes I did and with the stock set up, NO! The stem they use at least for the Nyon requires a wiiiiiide clamp bar which is very uncommon. I ended up with a new fork (planned for anyway regardless of this issue) and that gave me the ability to run my Koga Denham bars which were 25.4 (and still are for mine but they now have a 31.8 size) with a nice Nitto girls Keirin stem which looks a treat.
Unfortunately underneath the stem is nothing they have cut that steerer tube short so you really cannot do much without maybe an adjustable stem and all your cables and wires being loose. I don't mind as I have the set up I want but it doesn't look as clean and sexy.
Unfortunately underneath the stem is nothing they have cut that steerer tube short so you really cannot do much without maybe an adjustable stem and all your cables and wires being loose. I don't mind as I have the set up I want but it doesn't look as clean and sexy.
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I switched out the OEM handlebar on my Ride1Up 500 series to a H-bar from AliEx.
Why not just change the stem that have 31.8 clamp so you can use the H-bar? ?
https://www.bikeforums.net/22944971-post1020.html
Why not just change the stem that have 31.8 clamp so you can use the H-bar? ?
https://www.bikeforums.net/22944971-post1020.html
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I switched out the OEM handlebar on my Ride1Up 500 series to a H-bar from AliEx.
Why not just change the stem that have 31.8 clamp so you can use the H-bar? ?
https://www.bikeforums.net/22944971-post1020.html
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Why not just change the stem that have 31.8 clamp so you can use the H-bar? ?
https://www.bikeforums.net/22944971-post1020.html
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Humpert ergotec Ergo XXL, 31,8 mm; Humpert ergotec Trekking, 31,8 mm, Alu*; Satori R&M Custom Komfort, 25,4 mm, Alu*; Satori R&M Custom, 25,4mm, Alu*
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Yes I did and with the stock set up, NO! The stem they use at least for the Nyon requires a wiiiiiide clamp bar which is very uncommon. I ended up with a new fork (planned for anyway regardless of this issue) and that gave me the ability to run my Koga Denham bars which were 25.4 (and still are for mine but they now have a 31.8 size) with a nice Nitto girls Keirin stem which looks a treat..
Also what fork did you go with?
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Just to add to vegan biker reply, this is an image of the Nyon display/stem mount on SuperCharger 2. I would assume, given all the plastic, that the stem is a fixed length and short as suggested. Given the build specification, it may be possible to swap it out for a 31.8mm if necessary. In fact, it may already be a 31.8mm. I had assumed a 25.4mm bar based on a comment from the LBS, but the build specs list both 25.4 and 38 mm. bars. I pick up the bike tomorrow, so I will confirm then which one it is. Fingers crossed for a 31.8mm stem
If the steer tube is too short, that can be solved with a steer tube extender:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804167959631.html
H-bar I bought was $60 on AliEx
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805385002004.html
Also have a different H bar in aluminum or carbon in different widths:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805804769674.html
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805693591464.html
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I went with a Fox Factory 36 E-Bike Optimized fork in 140mm which has a close enough A2C so it worked perfectly and seems to work quite nicely. It does not have a lockout since it is not an XC fork but honestly I don't mind too much though there are occasions where I wouldn't mind having a lockout but those are few and far between.
I believe the comfort kit bars are going to be a different size probably 31.8 as they are NOT compatible with the Nyon or Kiox display and I doubt they are going to re-design the stem for the Nyon with Smart System already out and being sold for at least a year+ now.
I would also make sure you get the proper saddle, the seat diaper needs to go, it doesn't help you or your sit bones and is just another layer of goo you need to compress before you get support from your saddle and that layer of goo can slide as freely as it needs to as it cannot be well attached to anything. It also looks like someone angled your saddle down so you are having to fight to stay on your seat diaper on your saddle putting more pressure on your hands and strain on the arms holding yourself up. I personally didn't think I would love the stock saddle as it was a bit too padded than I normally like but the saddle I generally love was out of stock for a while so I went with it and adjusted it for my needs and it is quite comfortable and I did swap it to a Ergon saddle to try that and I also really love that one. A good saddle should support your sit bones and not be so squishy that you end up creating pressure points which create pain.
Generally what I find is people have saddles that are angled incorrectly not set up fore and aft properly and their seat height is not correct either so they get pain and instead of position fixing they go and add padding or find saddles that can fit the whole family in a search for something that won't exist with the saddle improperly adjusted for them.
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roadfix and cat0020 ,a single picture with no measurements has given y'all the clairvoyance to determine clamp size? That is awesome if it were correct but unfortunately as an owner of one and also being able to look at the specs online I know it is a 25.4 bar.
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Maybe if you provide a picture of your bike, that would show a different handlebar diameter.
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The clamp size is 25.4 it is this bar "Satori R&M Custom, 25,4mm, Alu*". I worked at a Riese and Müller dealership for 5 years and own the same bike and sold quite a few of that model and others with the same stem. My personal ride would actually show the same handlebar diameter but a different bar and stem which I mentioned earlier. My bike didn't stay stock for long. It is running the original Koga Denham Bar which again is 25.4
The actual handlebar from that bike was given to a friend on a bike I built her and it is certainly 25.4 it was measured and the stem was definitely a 25.4 stem but that was also one from the parts bin not the R+M stem but a larger bar wouldn't fit on it I can assure you of that.
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At this day and age why would an E-bike manufacturer design a 25.4 stem when most handlebars out there on the market have been 31.8 and even 35mm, for many years…? Doesn’t make sense.
Take a caliper and measure, simple.
Take a caliper and measure, simple.
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Again I have taken a caliper and measured and I worked at an R-M dealer as well as owning that same bike so I am quite familiar with it where others here are not (and that is not an attack on anyone or a statement of me being better it is just factual information relevant to the discussion)
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I rode my new bike home yesterday. The bar is 24.5mm ...
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I went with a Fox Factory 36 E-Bike Optimized fork in 140mm which has a close enough A2C so it worked perfectly and seems to work quite nicely. It does not have a lockout since it is not an XC fork but honestly I don't mind too much though there are occasions where I wouldn't mind having a lockout but those are few and far between.
I believe the comfort kit bars are going to be a different size probably 31.8 as they are NOT compatible with the Nyon or Kiox display and I doubt they are going to re-design the stem for the Nyon with Smart System already out and being sold for at least a year+ now.
I would also make sure you get the proper saddle, the seat diaper needs to go,
Oh, the bar is 25.4 mm as suspected.
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My bike which I now have, has a Marzocchi Bomber Z2 100mm 15QRx110 Axle. I believe that is a Fox 34 or similar fork?
According to Sparque the local bike shop they can be ordered in as a 25.4 mm bar. That said I did so one and the sweep is less than I would like.
I am a fan of Selle Anatomical saddles and have one ready to be fitted. I am not sure what you mean by seat diaper?
Oh, the bar is 25.4 mm as suspected.
According to Sparque the local bike shop they can be ordered in as a 25.4 mm bar. That said I did so one and the sweep is less than I would like.
I am a fan of Selle Anatomical saddles and have one ready to be fitted. I am not sure what you mean by seat diaper?
Oh, the bar is 25.4 mm as suspected.
There must be some reason why the comfort bars aren't available for the Nyon Display but maybe it is just in the U.S. or something odd? Who knows?
The seat diaper are those silly padded covers that people put onto sometimes a perfectly good saddle usually filled with gel or a super soft foam. I see now that the picture was not your picture so you are all good.
People did not want to accept reality, it happens but it is weird when they try to fight the facts. It is not like I was some how using the calipers wrong it is kind of hard to do I guess one could have preloaded it with 6.4mm so when you turn it on it zeroed there so it actually shows at 25.4 but that is silly and nonsensical and also the actual measurement on the caliper would give it away.
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Thanks for the clarification. As it stands, the Crane Creek Thudbuster got swapped out for a Thompson Masterpiece Setback seat post this morning, and I fitted the Selle Anatomica saddle I had ready. I'll see how this works. If I decide that the Thudbuster is the better option, it can easily go back on. The saddle however stays
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