Using CycleOps 300Pro Indoor bike for Rouvy/Zwift
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Using CycleOps 300Pro Indoor bike for Rouvy/Zwift
I already own a cycleops power 300Pro indoor bike. It works fine for what it is. It has the powertap power measuring hub built-in, but it is a special flavor of ant+ technology that only communicates with it's Joule head unit. It won't talk to Garmin, and it won't natively talk to zwift, etc.
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
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There's a video on YouTube of a guy who uses those pedals on his spin bike for Zwift. I can't post links due to my post count but his name is PowerKarma. I initially did the speed/cadence sensor after seeing his video about that being a cheap way to do it. I eventually got a Kickr Snap because i wanted the smart feature.
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special variant of ant+...are you sure? ant+ is supposed to be an agreed upon protocol. if a device claims to be ant compliant then any head unit can connect. does this have the ant logo? or just claims ant?
this machine looks well built with 3 feet at the contact points. i have a kicker core and it has 4 contact points. such a PITA to keep it leveled.
this machine looks well built with 3 feet at the contact points. i have a kicker core and it has 4 contact points. such a PITA to keep it leveled.
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I already own a cycleops power 300Pro indoor bike. It works fine for what it is. It has the powertap power measuring hub built-in, but it is a special flavor of ant+ technology that only communicates with it's Joule head unit. It won't talk to Garmin, and it won't natively talk to zwift, etc.
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
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I already own a cycleops power 300Pro indoor bike. It works fine for what it is. It has the powertap power measuring hub built-in, but it is a special flavor of ant+ technology that only communicates with it's Joule head unit. It won't talk to Garmin, and it won't natively talk to zwift, etc.
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
I would like to bring it into more modern abilities...I know I can't get it to act like a smart trainer, but if I could pair it with some power meter pedals, I could likely at least track rides accurately on my garmin 530 head unit. I have the garmin speed sensor, and can attach it to the rear wheel (seems to work ok). I've always been a spd pedal user, but am thinking about going with the Favero Assioma, and some road shoes. Anyone else set something like this up? Should work for Rouvy/Zwift, correct?
The main downside (which you seem to realize already) is that you'd have to manually control the resistance on the trainer - so things like grade changes or interval workouts would require you to adjust up/down accordingly.
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If you're adding power meter pedals, you don't need a speed sensor for Zwift. Zwift will take your power output and use that to calculate speed. Zwift only uses speed/cadence sensors as a workaround to "estimate" power for users who don't have power meters. Zwift will connect directly to your power meter - you don't need the Garmin head unit for that.
The main downside (which you seem to realize already) is that you'd have to manually control the resistance on the trainer - so things like grade changes or interval workouts would require you to adjust up/down accordingly.
The main downside (which you seem to realize already) is that you'd have to manually control the resistance on the trainer - so things like grade changes or interval workouts would require you to adjust up/down accordingly.
They were an amazing product technology wise when first introduced, built extremely well and worked well with supporting software. Issue was the proprietary ANT protocol limited adoption from software companies. TrainerRoad supported them for a while but that came to a end years ago. Because they used a stepper motor to control resistance stable power settings were a problem and as cadence dropped it resulted in crazy resistance response.
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If you are up for a bit of modification, you can use this for inspiration.
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I’m not entirely sure what I’m looking at there? I think Saris bought cycleops out, and they offer some kind of module that brings it into the modern era for $500. I just wasn’t sure I wanted to pursue a fix that was exclusively for an indoor bike.
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If you're adding power meter pedals, you don't need a speed sensor for Zwift. Zwift will take your power output and use that to calculate speed. Zwift only uses speed/cadence sensors as a workaround to "estimate" power for users who don't have power meters. Zwift will connect directly to your power meter - you don't need the Garmin head unit for that.
The main downside (which you seem to realize already) is that you'd have to manually control the resistance on the trainer - so things like grade changes or interval workouts would require you to adjust up/down accordingly.
The main downside (which you seem to realize already) is that you'd have to manually control the resistance on the trainer - so things like grade changes or interval workouts would require you to adjust up/down accordingly.
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Mine is the 300Pro. The yellow know on the top tube manually controls the resistance. it's a little different than the one posted later in the conversation that does not appear to have a resistance knob. Thanks.
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Honestly, with the way prices are falling right now, you could get a Zwift Hub for cheaper than dual sided power pedals and ride it with your outdoor bike. Or spend a couple hundred more (about the price point for Assioma Duo pedals) and get something like the Kickr Core if the accuracy (and potential lack of support following the patent lawsuit) of the Zwift Hub worry you. And I say that as someone who first used a Powertap hub (SL+ so non-proprietary ANT+) and then Assioma Duo pedals on a dumb trainer (really just rollers with a fork stand) for several years before getting a direct drive trainer (Elite Direto XR-T, another great option and about the same price or cheaper than the Core with slightly better accuracy/resistance, but support isn't as available and it may not be as sturdy) when my fork stand broke and could no longer be fixed. I only left powertap for the Assioma Duos when I got hit by a car and my powertap wheel got wrecked (and I found I couldn't replace it as they were no longer being made). Power pedals will work on that, but, if you've got an outdoor bike already, a direct drive trainer can be about the same price (unless you go used for the pedals) and will give you a much better experience.
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Honestly, with the way prices are falling right now, you could get a Zwift Hub for cheaper than dual sided power pedals and ride it with your outdoor bike. Or spend a couple hundred more (about the price point for Assioma Duo pedals) and get something like the Kickr Core if the accuracy (and potential lack of support following the patent lawsuit) of the Zwift Hub worry you. And I say that as someone who first used a Powertap hub (SL+ so non-proprietary ANT+) and then Assioma Duo pedals on a dumb trainer (really just rollers with a fork stand) for several years before getting a direct drive trainer (Elite Direto XR-T, another great option and about the same price or cheaper than the Core with slightly better accuracy/resistance, but support isn't as available and it may not be as sturdy) when my fork stand broke and could no longer be fixed. I only left powertap for the Assioma Duos when I got hit by a car and my powertap wheel got wrecked (and I found I couldn't replace it as they were no longer being made). Power pedals will work on that, but, if you've got an outdoor bike already, a direct drive trainer can be about the same price (unless you go used for the pedals) and will give you a much better experience.
That said - if product support is a concern - Wahoo isn't exactly a safe haven either. Rumors of their demise have been swirling for months. The fact that they've slashed prices across the board on their trainers isn't a great sign either.
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Wahoo desk seems an odd choice given that a monitor stand (or standing desk converter) on the actual desk right behind it would be more sturdy and cheaper, but compared to what the did do the Cyclops bike and Wahoo trainer (and XTR rerailleur) when they clearly have a functioning bike in the picture that could have gone on the wahoo trainer for much less work, it's just a minor quibble.
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looks to me like a science project. possibly two broken parts merged into something useful. i had a kicker core that had the main structural support arm broken at the bottom near where the outriders are mounted. this unit they have does not have any of that. a good use of parts.
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IIRC, ANT+ and I believe BT sensors will connect only to one device at a time. Is it possible to disable power to the head unit?
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Cyclops 300 Pro.... It works out of the box with Zwift
I have a Cycleops Pro 300. I got it 2nd hand. It also has an Ant+ joule unit. I bought a GARMIN ANT dongle, found the recommended divers for it, installed it (on both Windows 10 and 11). I ran Zwift and Zwift detected both the power and resistance without problems. It did not detect cadence. I used the Joule to see the cadence. Power is exactly the same as detected by the Joule.
So, this works without any fancy customizations for Zwift. Unfortunately, to the detriment of its users, this forum only allows users with more than 10 posts to use URLs, otherwise I would have referred you to Garmin's ANT dongle's installation guide
So, this works without any fancy customizations for Zwift. Unfortunately, to the detriment of its users, this forum only allows users with more than 10 posts to use URLs, otherwise I would have referred you to Garmin's ANT dongle's installation guide
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The ten post limit is an anti-spam measure, which I assert is a benefit to the forum's users because the spam volume is low enough that all the moderators don't quit in disgust. Just make it so the link isn't detected as a link, i.e. put spaces in it or some such.
But is this what you are talking about? https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/10997
Garmin's support for their ant+ dongle is pretty miserable, I found a driver here: https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...RP1bbumefCOf37
But is this what you are talking about? https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/10997
Garmin's support for their ant+ dongle is pretty miserable, I found a driver here: https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...RP1bbumefCOf37