Looking for a stiff Carbon Frame...
10-28-06, 12:07 PM
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Looking for a stiff Carbon Frame...
I just got a DA groupo w/ the new DA Tubeless wheelset and looking for a stiff Carbon frame to compliment the goods. Im a sprinter at 210lb/5-10" and can generate serious wattage so Im looking for BB stiffness that I deserve. Any pro opinions out there? Anyone with the same build and power output, please help a brother.
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After asking multiple sources, the concensus was the Pinarello F4:13. Stiffest BB I've ever ridden... I'm 6'2, 200#. I don't know how serious my wattage is, though...
Here's the thread with my newly built-up F4:13 frame:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=240746
A question, though--what do you mean by "tubeless?"
Here's the thread with my newly built-up F4:13 frame:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=240746
A question, though--what do you mean by "tubeless?"
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Thanks Pete, I'll look at the Pinarello model you suggested. The tubeless wheel set has just been released by Shimano. I'm sponsored by them through BMX (aquired direct), so I don't know if it's in the shops but you can run the tubeless tires on these babies! Obviously no velox needed if you run tubes! Less rotating weight...
Thanks brother...
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10-28-06, 12:56 PM
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the original madone was a really stiff bike. I havent had the chance to ride a madone SL, but last years madone with the aero seattube was hella stiff. It was one of those bikes that you always stood while climbing jsut cause it felt soo good to feel the bike NOT flex underneath you.
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Originally Posted by Dial_tone
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Originally Posted by Namenda
I honestly wasn't aware that lycra is available in that size...
But I give him kudos for being there!
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I was also thinking the Ridley Noah. Anyone here riding that frame that could me valuable feedback?
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Taken from weightweenies.
Tested bikes: manufacturer/model [Pro team] | overall pts* | lateral stiffness | BB stiffness | lateral stiffness of the fork | weight frame (incl. headset, seatclamp, bottle cage bolts, BB cable guide)/fork | comfort of the fork
Cervélo R3 [Team CSC] 65Pts | 97Nm/° | 122 Nm/° | 43N/mm | 1005g/395g | 2
Giant TCR Advanced ISP [Team T-Mobile] 61Pts | 76Nm/° | 114Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1346g/353g | 4
Lapierre X-Lite 995 SLP "Francaise des Jeux" [FDJEUX.COM] 53Pts | 80Nm/° | 41N/mm | 1278g/348g | 2
Look 585 "Crédit Agricole" [Crédit Agricole] 53Pts | 69N m/° | 99Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1195g/327g | 1
Orbea Opal Replica [Euskaltel-Euskadi] 47Pts | 67Nm/° | 89Nm/° | 34N/mm | 1257g/434g | 4
Pinarello Paris Carbon [Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears] 51Pts | 71Nm/° | 99Nm/° | 46N/mm | 1392g/449g | 1
Ridley Damocles Replica Team [Team Davitamon-Lotto] 44Pts | 76Nm/° | 112Nm/° | 34N/mm | 1542g/418g | 1
Scott CR1 Team Issue [Saunier Duval] 57Pts | 89Nm/° | 101Nm/° | 42N/mm | 1026g/406g | 1
Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL [Team Gerolsteiner] 84Nm/° | 100Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1115g/357g | 3
Time VXRS Ulteam [Team Quick-Step] 52Pts | 62Nm/° | 89Nm/° | 47N/mm | 1146g/360g | 1
Trek Madone 5.9 SL [Team Discovery Channel] 55Pts | 76Nm/° | 97Nm/° | 1307g/383g | 4
Wilier Le Roi Squadra [Team Lampre] 49Pts | 77Nm/° | 108Nm/° | 42N/mm | 1238g/356g | 2
* incl. pts for paint/finish/manual/warranty
Manufacturer/Model | Fork | Pts | Lateral stiffness | BB stiffness | lateral stiffness of the fork | weight frame+headset(!)/fork | comfort
Canyon Ultimate F10 Limited SL Smolik Motivation Race 71Pts 114Nm/° 131Nm/° 54N/mm 1179g/305g 3
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
Storck Scenario CD 1.0 | Stiletto Light UMS | 63Pts | 83Nm/° | 106Nm/° | 48N/mm 1205g/286g 3
Red Bull X-Lite 8000 Red Bull 60Pts 89Nm/° 103Nm/° 43N/mm 1068g/424g 2
Isaac Sonic LTD. Isaac 58Pts 74Nm/° 93Nm/° 48N/mm 1048g/406g 1
Scott CR1 Team Issue Scott CR1 56Pts 89Nm/° 101Nm/° 42N/mm 1001g/406g 1
Cube Litening GTC "SCR Edition" THM Scapula SP 54Pts 82Nm/° 99Nm/° 37N/mm 1224g/273g 3
Look KG 585 Ultra "Crédit Agricole" Look HSC5 SL 53Pts 67Nm/° 98Nm/° 43N/mm 1168g/327g 2
Time VXRS Ulteam Time Avant Ulteam Safe+ 52Pts 61Nm/° 88Nm/° 47N/mm 1098g/360g 1
Felt F1C Carbon Easton EC90-SLX 50Pts 63Nm/° 94Nm/° 34N/mm 1064g/283g 4
KTM Strada LC Prime KTM LC 49Pts 83Nm/° 92Nm/° 31N/mm 1163g/337g 4
Storck Scenario C 0.9 "10th Anniversary" Stiletto Light 47Pts 66Nm/° 92Nm/° 38N/mm 1181g/292g 2
Poison Speed Easton EC90 SLX 39Pts 48Nm/° 85Nm/° 33N/mm 1186g/282g 4
Santana Stylus Easton EC90 SLX 39Pts 59Nm/° 72Nm/° 33N/mm 1213g/287g 4
Tested bikes: manufacturer/model [Pro team] | overall pts* | lateral stiffness | BB stiffness | lateral stiffness of the fork | weight frame (incl. headset, seatclamp, bottle cage bolts, BB cable guide)/fork | comfort of the fork
Cervélo R3 [Team CSC] 65Pts | 97Nm/° | 122 Nm/° | 43N/mm | 1005g/395g | 2
Giant TCR Advanced ISP [Team T-Mobile] 61Pts | 76Nm/° | 114Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1346g/353g | 4
Lapierre X-Lite 995 SLP "Francaise des Jeux" [FDJEUX.COM] 53Pts | 80Nm/° | 41N/mm | 1278g/348g | 2
Look 585 "Crédit Agricole" [Crédit Agricole] 53Pts | 69N m/° | 99Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1195g/327g | 1
Orbea Opal Replica [Euskaltel-Euskadi] 47Pts | 67Nm/° | 89Nm/° | 34N/mm | 1257g/434g | 4
Pinarello Paris Carbon [Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears] 51Pts | 71Nm/° | 99Nm/° | 46N/mm | 1392g/449g | 1
Ridley Damocles Replica Team [Team Davitamon-Lotto] 44Pts | 76Nm/° | 112Nm/° | 34N/mm | 1542g/418g | 1
Scott CR1 Team Issue [Saunier Duval] 57Pts | 89Nm/° | 101Nm/° | 42N/mm | 1026g/406g | 1
Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL [Team Gerolsteiner] 84Nm/° | 100Nm/° | 44N/mm | 1115g/357g | 3
Time VXRS Ulteam [Team Quick-Step] 52Pts | 62Nm/° | 89Nm/° | 47N/mm | 1146g/360g | 1
Trek Madone 5.9 SL [Team Discovery Channel] 55Pts | 76Nm/° | 97Nm/° | 1307g/383g | 4
Wilier Le Roi Squadra [Team Lampre] 49Pts | 77Nm/° | 108Nm/° | 42N/mm | 1238g/356g | 2
* incl. pts for paint/finish/manual/warranty
Manufacturer/Model | Fork | Pts | Lateral stiffness | BB stiffness | lateral stiffness of the fork | weight frame+headset(!)/fork | comfort
Canyon Ultimate F10 Limited SL Smolik Motivation Race 71Pts 114Nm/° 131Nm/° 54N/mm 1179g/305g 3
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
Storck Scenario CD 1.0 | Stiletto Light UMS | 63Pts | 83Nm/° | 106Nm/° | 48N/mm 1205g/286g 3
Red Bull X-Lite 8000 Red Bull 60Pts 89Nm/° 103Nm/° 43N/mm 1068g/424g 2
Isaac Sonic LTD. Isaac 58Pts 74Nm/° 93Nm/° 48N/mm 1048g/406g 1
Scott CR1 Team Issue Scott CR1 56Pts 89Nm/° 101Nm/° 42N/mm 1001g/406g 1
Cube Litening GTC "SCR Edition" THM Scapula SP 54Pts 82Nm/° 99Nm/° 37N/mm 1224g/273g 3
Look KG 585 Ultra "Crédit Agricole" Look HSC5 SL 53Pts 67Nm/° 98Nm/° 43N/mm 1168g/327g 2
Time VXRS Ulteam Time Avant Ulteam Safe+ 52Pts 61Nm/° 88Nm/° 47N/mm 1098g/360g 1
Felt F1C Carbon Easton EC90-SLX 50Pts 63Nm/° 94Nm/° 34N/mm 1064g/283g 4
KTM Strada LC Prime KTM LC 49Pts 83Nm/° 92Nm/° 31N/mm 1163g/337g 4
Storck Scenario C 0.9 "10th Anniversary" Stiletto Light 47Pts 66Nm/° 92Nm/° 38N/mm 1181g/292g 2
Poison Speed Easton EC90 SLX 39Pts 48Nm/° 85Nm/° 33N/mm 1186g/282g 4
Santana Stylus Easton EC90 SLX 39Pts 59Nm/° 72Nm/° 33N/mm 1213g/287g 4
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Nice data! Sweet!
Can you give me the layman's on the lateral and bb stiffness?
How do I assess what is maximal and perhaps what is not enough?
Cool, thank you very much.
Can you give me the layman's on the lateral and bb stiffness?
How do I assess what is maximal and perhaps what is not enough?
Cool, thank you very much.
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Originally Posted by The G
I just got a DA groupo w/ the new DA Tubeless wheelset and looking for a stiff Carbon frame to compliment the goods. Im a sprinter at 210lb/5-10" and can generate serious wattage so Im looking for BB stiffness that I deserve. Any pro opinions out there? Anyone with the same build and power output, please help a brother.
Thanks,
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Thanks,
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Originally Posted by Namenda
I honestly wasn't aware that lycra is available in that size...
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specialized has a sheet called the f.a.c.t. sheet & it shows the different stiffnesses between different bikes of all different materials. to be honest, one of the stiffest & most economic frames i've been on is the new lemond min/max platform. you might have trouble just getting it as a frameset though. when it comes to bikes, esp carbon, i'm a look guy. so if you're a sprinter check out the 486. your best bet is to go custom with the new seven carbon frame or a guru.
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Originally Posted by Namenda
I honestly wasn't aware that lycra is available in that size...
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Motobecane, baby... Motobecane. 
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Look 486 looks real stiff. Exotic too..
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Originally Posted by mikemets5
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go with the proven if you are unsure
go with the proven if you are unsure
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...RODUCT.ID=1849
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lateral stiffness / bb stiffness
Canyon Ultimate F10 Limited SL Smolik Motivation Race 71Pts 114Nm/° 131Nm/° 54N/mm 1179g/305g 3
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
There's not a whole lot to interpret, if you're a big guy, get the stiffest thing on the list...
If you don't have thousands of dollars to throw at one of the above frames, get a Cannondale caad9 also ranked very well i beleive, not sure why it's not on that list, i've seen other studies that had it included, and it ranked very highly, especially considering it's price.
Canyon Ultimate F10 Limited SL Smolik Motivation Race 71Pts 114Nm/° 131Nm/° 54N/mm 1179g/305g 3
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
There's not a whole lot to interpret, if you're a big guy, get the stiffest thing on the list...
If you don't have thousands of dollars to throw at one of the above frames, get a Cannondale caad9 also ranked very well i beleive, not sure why it's not on that list, i've seen other studies that had it included, and it ranked very highly, especially considering it's price.
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Originally Posted by krazyderek
lateral stiffness / bb stiffness
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
Cérvelo R3 Cérvelo 67Pts 92Nm/° 122Nm/° 47N/mm 975g/376g 2
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