Honks--are they always bad?
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
... Too much training and you become overly numb to honks...
Even if you get too desensitized, in the vast majority of cases, jumping is much worse than not responding at all.
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There is one road (high speed, narrow four lane) on my commute were I can count on most of my honks. Average once every other trip. As the drivers sometimes even honk (long honks) while going in the opposite direction, I'm convinced most are trying to tell me that I'm doing something dangerous and shouldn't be out there. I'm too busy sprinting and monitoring traffic to respond in any way. Funny thing is now that it's cold I get less honks. My guess is they feel sorry for me, and cut me some slack.
I recently had a motorist who was stuck behind me for a short while give me a "shave and a hair cut, two bits" beep once they had a safe chance to pass. I waved back.
I recently had a motorist who was stuck behind me for a short while give me a "shave and a hair cut, two bits" beep once they had a safe chance to pass. I waved back.
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I've gotten two "Eff off, buddy" honks and one "Hey, I'm passing" honk over the past year. Not a bad ratio, if you ask me.
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Cars should come equipped with two horns: one for friendly waves and one for angry rants.
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Originally Posted by GTcommuter
Cars should come equipped with two horns: one for friendly waves and one for angry rants.
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I had a bike lunch today. Just as I was pulling into the parking lot, I got honked at. I thought nothing of it at first. As I was cooling off in front of my office a coworker who had just pulled in came up to me. She explained it was her that honked, and the whole time thinking "why the heck are you in my way". She went on with how she then realized it was me, and then was all ok with herself. Glad I didn't tell someone they were number one.
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The little "toots" I get alot from cars going around me. I just assume it a friendly warning. The blasts that the semi's put out right behind me are answered with a harsh look and a "your number 1" gesture if needed--the trucks always manage to scare the bejeezus out of me. Those are the ones I hate with a passion!
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
Some drivers think we can't tell they are approaching or passing and give a honk (sometimes a tap, sometimes more severe) to warn us of their presence. Although it can be annoying and/or seem hostile they are erring on the side of caution in their mind.
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However also get the occasional honk and a thumbs up so there is another positive honk possibility.
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Originally Posted by GiantDave
The little "toots" I get alot from cars going around me. I just assume it a friendly warning. The blasts that the semi's put out right behind me are answered with a harsh look and a "your number 1" gesture if needed--the trucks always manage to scare the bejeezus out of me. Those are the ones I hate with a passion!
it's something that boils my blood when i think about it, and it happened last year. i just can't stop it from bothering me. that guy would have easily killed me and kept on going without a second thought. that's kinda frightening.
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On thought on the the "honk for your safety" discussion.
I think some minority of the people pointing me to the sidewalk/gutter/imaginary bike lane aren't really THAT pissed off that I am on the road. They just think that "it's not safe for a bike to be on this road, I better tell him before one of these lunatics hits him".
It's an interesting notion, but to me it ends up being yet another "get off the road" regardless of inner motive.
And again. Its a minority of them.
I think some minority of the people pointing me to the sidewalk/gutter/imaginary bike lane aren't really THAT pissed off that I am on the road. They just think that "it's not safe for a bike to be on this road, I better tell him before one of these lunatics hits him".
It's an interesting notion, but to me it ends up being yet another "get off the road" regardless of inner motive.
And again. Its a minority of them.
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Originally Posted by ghettocruiser
On thought on the the "honk for your safety" discussion.
I think some minority of the people pointing me to the sidewalk/gutter/imaginary bike lane aren't really THAT pissed off that I am on the road. They just think that "it's not safe for a bike to be on this road, I better tell him before one of these lunatics hits him".
It's an interesting notion, but to me it ends up being yet another "get off the road" regardless of inner motive.
And again. Its a minority of them.
I think some minority of the people pointing me to the sidewalk/gutter/imaginary bike lane aren't really THAT pissed off that I am on the road. They just think that "it's not safe for a bike to be on this road, I better tell him before one of these lunatics hits him".
It's an interesting notion, but to me it ends up being yet another "get off the road" regardless of inner motive.
And again. Its a minority of them.
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I just wave to folks who do this. A nice, friendly wave, with a big smile (if it's not hidden behind a baclava mask). Always trying to be friendly.
If they're being nice, it's a good response.
If they're being mean, it pisses them off more
Although I don't get the people who wait until they pass me, THEN honk. You're a heavy metal object right smack dab that just passed me and they think I don't see them?
If they're being nice, it's a good response.
If they're being mean, it pisses them off more
Although I don't get the people who wait until they pass me, THEN honk. You're a heavy metal object right smack dab that just passed me and they think I don't see them?
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i've always wished that cars had two horns - one for "f you!" and one for "here i come! thanks and have a nice day."
instead they only seem to have the f-you horn, so it's hard to differentiate..
instead they only seem to have the f-you horn, so it's hard to differentiate..
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One suggestion I have is get an AirZound. You can then honk back - and you honk louder. Can be very satisfying.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
This is almost the idea. While you don't want to be completely unresponsive to honks, you want to be desensitized to the point that your head works clearly.
Even if you get too desensitized, in the vast majority of cases, jumping is much worse than not responding at all.
Even if you get too desensitized, in the vast majority of cases, jumping is much worse than not responding at all.
My hearing is very sensitive and I am one of those people who hears the rattle in a car first, or when the engine noise changes... that sort of thing. I depend highly on hearing car tires on the road, and engine noises to tell me about where a vehicle is.
Funny thing is about 3 years ago I was quite startled to not hear an approaching hybrid vehicle... it was so quiet (and moving quite slow as it approached the intersection) that I almost pulled out right in front of it. (I heard the tires at the last second and turned and saw the thing right there)
At any rate, I would have a difficult time becoming desensitized.
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Originally Posted by genec
At any rate, I would have a difficult time becoming desensitized.
However sensitive to sound does not mean startled by sound such as honks. I have yet to hear a sound while cycling that has made me jump (including squealing tires, loud honks, hard reving engines, vehicle crash noise, yelling, etc.)
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I was in India last month and after riding around in cars I started understanding their rules of the road. First of all, you are supposed to honk all the time at everybody you pass and everybody who comes toward you. You honk at buses, trucks, other cars, rickshaws, bikes, pedestrians, cows, goats, dogs, kittens, anybody and everybody who is in the road.
Seemed silly at first, then it started to make sense, and soon I could tell the difference between the normal honk and the "get the hell out of my way, you jerk" honk. People are the same everywhere, the only difference is we don't have a normal honk here in the US.
Seemed silly at first, then it started to make sense, and soon I could tell the difference between the normal honk and the "get the hell out of my way, you jerk" honk. People are the same everywhere, the only difference is we don't have a normal honk here in the US.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
My wife and some of my close friends even drift in a bit on me when they lay on the horn. It sounds insane, but this kind of preparation really helps when you encounter a real situation.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I too am very sensitive to and use sound to suppliment, but not replace, all the other senses.
However sensitive to sound does not mean startled by sound such as honks. I have yet to hear a sound while cycling that has made me jump (including squealing tires, loud honks, hard reving engines, vehicle crash noise, yelling, etc.)
However sensitive to sound does not mean startled by sound such as honks. I have yet to hear a sound while cycling that has made me jump (including squealing tires, loud honks, hard reving engines, vehicle crash noise, yelling, etc.)
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
Seemed silly at first, then it started to make sense, and soon I could tell the difference between the normal honk and the "get the hell out of my way, you jerk" honk. People are the same everywhere, the only difference is we don't have a normal honk here in the US.
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Originally Posted by genec
That desensitized thing however is hard to do if you really do depend on your hearing to alert you when you cycle.
My hearing is very sensitive and I am one of those people who hears the rattle in a car first, or when the engine noise changes... that sort of thing. I depend highly on hearing car tires on the road, and engine noises to tell me about where a vehicle is.
My hearing is very sensitive and I am one of those people who hears the rattle in a car first, or when the engine noise changes... that sort of thing. I depend highly on hearing car tires on the road, and engine noises to tell me about where a vehicle is.
When I am on fairly empty roads, I use the mirror less and my ears more since you can hear vehicles when they are still far away.
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I had the same thing happen yesterday. It wasn't a long annoying honk. Just a simple beeep, beeep, beeep,. I thought the same thing. Does this person think I'm annoying or does this person support me?
Unfortunately there's no way to find out.
I've posted earlier where the weather has been amazing up here. The last two weeks though, we've got a real blast of Winnipeg weather. 30cm snow, 60km wind. Before the new year we had no snow on the ground.
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Unfortunately there's no way to find out.
I've posted earlier where the weather has been amazing up here. The last two weeks though, we've got a real blast of Winnipeg weather. 30cm snow, 60km wind. Before the new year we had no snow on the ground.
Meltdown is only 4 weeks away!
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Hmm, I've always interpreted them as hostile but I suppose they coould very well not be as well
I definitely know some are hostile though since a vehicle going the opposite direction honking doesn't really have much reason besides being an ass
I definitely know some are hostile though since a vehicle going the opposite direction honking doesn't really have much reason besides being an ass
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Originally Posted by G. Bucci
I had the same thing happen yesterday. It wasn't a long annoying honk. Just a simple beeep, beeep, beeep,. I thought the same thing. Does this person think I'm annoying or does this person support me?
Unfortunately there's no way to find out.
Unfortunately there's no way to find out.
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I hate being honked at, scares the crap out of me. A friendly honk is given after they pass you not before.