Suntour 3 pulley derailleur
#1
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Suntour 3 pulley derailleur
How hard are these to come by?
These seem near impossible to find where I live without buying an entire bike.
I used to own one of these derailleurs in about 1985, but I foolishly gave it to a young female friend long ago.
And a long cage Cyclone M-II? They seem to be very scarce as well.
Am I better off using some kind of mountain bike RD for an old touring bike resto?
These seem near impossible to find where I live without buying an entire bike.
I used to own one of these derailleurs in about 1985, but I foolishly gave it to a young female friend long ago.
And a long cage Cyclone M-II? They seem to be very scarce as well.
Am I better off using some kind of mountain bike RD for an old touring bike resto?
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Thats it!
The Loch Ness Monster of derailleurs.
I am going to have to keep an eye out for old Nishiki's. The project bike is a Nishiki so I guess its fitting.
Thanks for the pic. It brings back a lot of memories.
The Loch Ness Monster of derailleurs.
I am going to have to keep an eye out for old Nishiki's. The project bike is a Nishiki so I guess its fitting.
Thanks for the pic. It brings back a lot of memories.
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SunTour put out a couple of different derailleurs with the 3-pully configuration. There are photos of a few of them over on Velobase.com. LePree was certainly one, I think there was a Cyclone as well? I'll leave it up to the curious to go look.
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AFAIR Nishiki came up with the design and licenced Suntour to build it. Virtually every one I've ever seen was on a Nishiki-built bike.
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Very cool to see one of these 3 pully setups in use in the photo above. From just the photos on velobase it was hard to get an idea of how it was supposed to work.
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Here's an old post from T-Mar on the LePrees...
https://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...78&postcount=5
https://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...78&postcount=5
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Man I bet if I went to the used bike shops in the city today and spend 30 minutes rummaging at each I could come up with at least one, but maybe as many as 5 of those. Not necessarily LePree but definitely the arx version.
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So if you can pick them up, I would be interested.
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I think I have a 14-32 Sun Tour 5 speed freewheel. PM me.
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These awesome derailleurs are worth as much as a Chorus!
I wonder why this guy has three but all are missing the large attachment bolt and clip?
And who would scavenge such a beauty for the pulleys as he suggested!
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BTW ricoh, I checked one shop and came up with nothing, They periodically toss stuff so they don't get huge build-up of old parts, I know I saw one there some time ago and the staff confirmed they remember one kicking around, but alas it was gone. I didn't get a chance to get to any of the other shops but it looks like you already have 2 offers, so I guess you're good.
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BTW ricoh, I checked one shop and came up with nothing, They periodically toss stuff so they don't get huge build-up of old parts, I know I saw one there some time ago and the staff confirmed they remember one kicking around, but alas it was gone. I didn't get a chance to get to any of the other shops but it looks like you already have 2 offers, so I guess you're good.
I checked my local LBS and they have long thrown out stuff like this.
And McDave also pointed out this auction.
I would never pay this much for this curiousity but someone is.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=006
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What about the one offered by peripatetic?
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Okay, I'll be the stupid kid of the group and ask... ![Embarrassment](images/smilies/redface.gif)
What the heck was that supposed to do which a standard long cage derailleur could not?
A simple Shimano long cage Deore from the era could already efficiently wrap plenty of chain. So was this intended just to keep the lower pulley higher off the ground? ... or, was it to work around the lack of a spring loaded upper pivit bolt which most any other manufacturer was using by this time? It seems the triple pulley models were only used for a few years during the mid 1980s. Was it a bad concept? Or, maybe just too heavy and extra costly with the added pulley?
I'd really love to know why the design was considered worthwhile since the 1976 Cyclone seemed to work just great, and by 1985 the long cage Suntour XC was a sturdy, fine working and very modern looking model.
![Embarrassment](images/smilies/redface.gif)
What the heck was that supposed to do which a standard long cage derailleur could not?
A simple Shimano long cage Deore from the era could already efficiently wrap plenty of chain. So was this intended just to keep the lower pulley higher off the ground? ... or, was it to work around the lack of a spring loaded upper pivit bolt which most any other manufacturer was using by this time? It seems the triple pulley models were only used for a few years during the mid 1980s. Was it a bad concept? Or, maybe just too heavy and extra costly with the added pulley?
I'd really love to know why the design was considered worthwhile since the 1976 Cyclone seemed to work just great, and by 1985 the long cage Suntour XC was a sturdy, fine working and very modern looking model.
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It wrapped more chain than any standard long cage mech (no chain sag in small/small combinations) and it kept the chain a little higher (and probably cleaner). The major reason is the perennial one (I expect), it looked different.