How do I make it easier to ride in the Winter?
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Didn't read all the responses, Sorry if repetitive.
For me, in a temperature range of 30-45* - my toes limit my time out, followed by fingers.
I use ski gloves, with a glove liner when cold enough.
I used to slip chemical handwarmer packets inside my thin shoe rain covers.
This year bought Fizik Arctic shoe. Not for super cold, but might work in your winter.
For me, in a temperature range of 30-45* - my toes limit my time out, followed by fingers.
I use ski gloves, with a glove liner when cold enough.
I used to slip chemical handwarmer packets inside my thin shoe rain covers.
This year bought Fizik Arctic shoe. Not for super cold, but might work in your winter.
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Lots of good advice here. Make sure you block the wind on whatever feels cold, i.e., if you're cold wearing a vest, put on a jacket instead.
Try putting some cold cream (Pond's) on your face before your ride. It keeps moisture from evaporating off your face, which makes your face feel warmer, and the psychologically the rest of you feels warmer.
Try putting some cold cream (Pond's) on your face before your ride. It keeps moisture from evaporating off your face, which makes your face feel warmer, and the psychologically the rest of you feels warmer.
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pdlamb reminds me to mention a couple of little tips I find helpful.
First, regarding moisturizer/lotion, yes, I always use it and thinks it helps with comfort, if not really warmth. Also be sure to use lip balm, because lips can get chapped bad when it’s bitter cold, which is also uncomfortable. Sometimes I just rub Vaseline on the exposed part of my face, but that’s for really cold weather, when it’s dropped below freezing.
The other thing I like to use when it’s really cold is a liniment, like Tiger Balm, on my feet, knees, and front of thighs. Also called embrocations because of their warming, tingling sensation, they stave off the numbing of the cold and make initial warm-up easier, I suppose by stimulating blood flow. It’s not going to extend ride time warmth, but it does make the first pedal strokes, and maybe the first hour, more comfortable, particularly for someone like me who needs 20mins of warmup even when it’s warm!
First, regarding moisturizer/lotion, yes, I always use it and thinks it helps with comfort, if not really warmth. Also be sure to use lip balm, because lips can get chapped bad when it’s bitter cold, which is also uncomfortable. Sometimes I just rub Vaseline on the exposed part of my face, but that’s for really cold weather, when it’s dropped below freezing.
The other thing I like to use when it’s really cold is a liniment, like Tiger Balm, on my feet, knees, and front of thighs. Also called embrocations because of their warming, tingling sensation, they stave off the numbing of the cold and make initial warm-up easier, I suppose by stimulating blood flow. It’s not going to extend ride time warmth, but it does make the first pedal strokes, and maybe the first hour, more comfortable, particularly for someone like me who needs 20mins of warmup even when it’s warm!
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I wear a bakaclava with a half shell motorcycle helmet(with ear guards), a neck gaiter, merino wool base layer, sometimes a vest, and a neoprene bicycle jacket. For my lower body, I wear fleeced lined pants. Regular sox and cross training shoes. I commute about 45 mins one way in good weather. Longer when it's snowing/icy. No car, just a motorscooter and ebike. I commute down to about 25 F now, maybe lower as the winter goes on. Happy Winter Solstice.
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Many years ago, I bike-commuted a whole 1.5 miles, year around. That included lots of single-digits and even a few sub-zero (F) rides. In the winter, I usually taped off the front-facing vents on my helmet, and I used a motorcycle face shield which was cut to nose-tip length. For that length ride, I just wore regular winter clothes. Even then I was too wimpy to enjoy longer winter rides.
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It was 50 degrees or so when I headed out yesterday morning, and 48 degrees along the creek on Crystal Springs. I was in bibshorts and kneewarmers; baselayer, jersey and jacket; thermal skullcap; wool socks and toe booties. I was comfy the whole ride but when I got home I discovered I was SOAKED in sweat!
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Wow, lotta responses above. I didn't read too many, but I'm sure they are all thoughtful and sensitive to everybody's different perspectives.
I live in a cold part of the world and I used to ride in well-below-freezing temperatures. For large muscle groups like torso and legs which generate a lot of their own heat, a couple thin insulating layers and a wind-stop layer will keep you comfortable.
Remember - when doing outdoor activity in the Winter, if you feel warm enough in the first fifteen minutes, you are dressed too warmly. You can use your level of physical effort to moderate your temperature - if you are dressed a bit too warm and find yourself starting to sweat, dial back your effort by 5%, and pull the zipper on your jacket down an inch or two.
Extremities are a different story.
My head I can keep warm with a thin layer of polypro, or maybe even a buff. In the coldest weather I have a Sugoi fleece-backed lycra balaclava, but that often winds u feeling too warm if I am exerting myself.
Hands and feet are the real problem. have returned home many times with my toes ice cold and having turned white... not good. There are two possible solutions for this problem: Massive insulated boots and wool socks, or medium insulated boots or shoes with chemical warming packs. https://www.rei.com/product/176891/y...rmers-10-pairs
I don't know if these are available in the Bay Area, but I used to use them when I taught XC skiing to little kids - I spent most of my time standing around in my inappropriately lightweight and racy ski boots, and used 'toe warmers' to keep frostbite away. XC skiing relies on the muscles in your feet, and I don't need to use warmers if I am working hard enough and/or it's not too cold.
For hands, I go to a discount store or army surplus store and find a big pair of snowmobile mitts or 'work mitts. Again, I don't know how available these are where you live, but the ones I buy are dirt cheap (like ~$10 per pair, and very very warm. In fact, if it's above freezing, I often need to take the mitts off and drape them over my bars to avoid making my hands too sweaty.
I live in a cold part of the world and I used to ride in well-below-freezing temperatures. For large muscle groups like torso and legs which generate a lot of their own heat, a couple thin insulating layers and a wind-stop layer will keep you comfortable.
Remember - when doing outdoor activity in the Winter, if you feel warm enough in the first fifteen minutes, you are dressed too warmly. You can use your level of physical effort to moderate your temperature - if you are dressed a bit too warm and find yourself starting to sweat, dial back your effort by 5%, and pull the zipper on your jacket down an inch or two.
Extremities are a different story.
My head I can keep warm with a thin layer of polypro, or maybe even a buff. In the coldest weather I have a Sugoi fleece-backed lycra balaclava, but that often winds u feeling too warm if I am exerting myself.
Hands and feet are the real problem. have returned home many times with my toes ice cold and having turned white... not good. There are two possible solutions for this problem: Massive insulated boots and wool socks, or medium insulated boots or shoes with chemical warming packs. https://www.rei.com/product/176891/y...rmers-10-pairs
I don't know if these are available in the Bay Area, but I used to use them when I taught XC skiing to little kids - I spent most of my time standing around in my inappropriately lightweight and racy ski boots, and used 'toe warmers' to keep frostbite away. XC skiing relies on the muscles in your feet, and I don't need to use warmers if I am working hard enough and/or it's not too cold.
For hands, I go to a discount store or army surplus store and find a big pair of snowmobile mitts or 'work mitts. Again, I don't know how available these are where you live, but the ones I buy are dirt cheap (like ~$10 per pair, and very very warm. In fact, if it's above freezing, I often need to take the mitts off and drape them over my bars to avoid making my hands too sweaty.
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I also live in the SF Bay Area and pretty much ride at sunrise. This morning was low 30s and decided to skip (tho, I have been out when it's been right at 30....brrrrrr. I find if I dress appropriately (multi-layers upper, old leather motorcycle gloves for the hands) and am warm when I get on the bike, I can usually stay warm till the end.
Yeah, to all you north, east and northeast riders, you have my sympathy for trying to do winter rides. I sometimes complain about the cold here, but also realize that, other than Southern Cal, AZ, FL, etc., we do have pretty good year-round weather. I lived in OR for a few years and, while it can get a bit nippy in the winter, it was the constant wet roads that got in my way.
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You could move to a warmer climate for 3-4 months over winter. That would help! Maybe try San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, or south Florida?
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I'm in the Bay Area. It's not super cold like other areas, but we're in the 50s an 60s. Even though I'm wearing layers, a head warmer, gloves and toe warmers, it's still pretty cold. They do make a difference, but if one part of your body is cold, you're still cold. Like my hands. I'm wearing thermal gloves and it's still kinda cold. I can feel my forearms being a bit cold and the toe warmers help just somewhat, but my feet are still cold. And I do wear thermal socks, which make a difference.
But what I'm finding is I can't go out as long, it's not as enjoyable. I can go a little more than an hour but beyond that it's just too cold. I'm trying to get this down. I did order a new jacket, which I hopes makes a difference. But I just feel like I might be a piece away. Maybe wearing something to cover my face might help lol, so it would be like wearing a covid mask.
I really miss the other 3 seasons when it's in the 70s and 80s. Let me know your thoughts.
But what I'm finding is I can't go out as long, it's not as enjoyable. I can go a little more than an hour but beyond that it's just too cold. I'm trying to get this down. I did order a new jacket, which I hopes makes a difference. But I just feel like I might be a piece away. Maybe wearing something to cover my face might help lol, so it would be like wearing a covid mask.
I really miss the other 3 seasons when it's in the 70s and 80s. Let me know your thoughts.
So, one of the biggest tools that i learned long ago was “warmups”. Basically, a warm, extra layer of clothing used for the first 20 or 30 mins until the core temp settles into work mode. That is, summer or winter our core temp needs to rise a couple degrees and stay there (or we lose power). Once we’ve reached this temp, we can safely dump some or all of the “warmups” or we risk over heating. If you’re used to riding one big loop, it might mean breaking your ride up into a 30 min warmup loop, dumping that extra warm stuff, and finishing the ride. It may also make sense to break up the ride into a series of shorter loops so a layer can be added back on if you’re a bit too aggressive.
the old adage still holds: “no such thing as bad weather, just bad gear”.
so, if your hands are cold, see about getting warmer gloves/more wind proof gloves. If your forearms are cold, see about ensuring the sleeves are snug at the wrist so you’re not scooping up cold air (assuming the sleeves are otherwise wind proof). If you’ve done all those things, look for the exposed skin gaps: wrists, neck, etc. if your face hurts, cover it with a buff or neck gaiter until your face is warm. If your feet are cold, consider more wind proof/warmer booties and mind the air leaks.
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If you're cold, you're cold. The absolute temp. doesn't matter. If your toes are still cold wearing toe warmers, get shoe covers or booties. Gloves as thick as necessary. Thin head cover that covers your ears, if your head is still cold then helmet cover. Windproof layer on top, loose enough that you can add insulating layers underneath it. Wind-front tights for your legs. I don't need a face covering until its in the lower 20s, but a light balaclava or a neck gaiter that you can pull up over your face should work if your face is cold. Hiking and/or skiing gear is also designed for activity in the cold, if you do other winter activities look into using some of your clothing from other winter sports.
For me, while cycling it is the wind that makes me cold, I wear a little insulation under a wind barrier. I also find that if I keep my head, feet and fingers warm, I don't need as much on my core. The reverse works well too - keep your core warm and you can pump warm blood to your fingers and toes, but usually I try to keep my extremities warm. If you need to, you can carry extra layers in a jersey pocket or a trunk bag, but normally during a ride it goes the other way - after you warm up you start shedding layers and put them in your jersey pockets.
When its cold, it isn't the cycling that is tough, it is when I stop that I get cold. Switch to Gatorskins in the winter so you're less likely to have to try to change a tube while shivering. As long as there's no ice on the roads, I'm fine. I've even got my wife into it, and she dislikes the cold. She generally wears 3 more layers than I on our tandem rides in the autumn/winter.
Cycling in the cold is no problem if you have the right clothing, it is just slower.
For me, while cycling it is the wind that makes me cold, I wear a little insulation under a wind barrier. I also find that if I keep my head, feet and fingers warm, I don't need as much on my core. The reverse works well too - keep your core warm and you can pump warm blood to your fingers and toes, but usually I try to keep my extremities warm. If you need to, you can carry extra layers in a jersey pocket or a trunk bag, but normally during a ride it goes the other way - after you warm up you start shedding layers and put them in your jersey pockets.
When its cold, it isn't the cycling that is tough, it is when I stop that I get cold. Switch to Gatorskins in the winter so you're less likely to have to try to change a tube while shivering. As long as there's no ice on the roads, I'm fine. I've even got my wife into it, and she dislikes the cold. She generally wears 3 more layers than I on our tandem rides in the autumn/winter.
Cycling in the cold is no problem if you have the right clothing, it is just slower.
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I sitll usually wear shorts and no jacket if it's in the 60's. It's important if you're cold that outer garments be wind-proof (which usually means somewhat wind proof). A balakava certainly makes your face warmer, though I never wear one unitl around 40, thoough it seems like recetnly, I'm more likely to put one things like that...I'm guessins because I'm older(69) and more affected by cold (don't know if that's true)...one of my main concerns is making sure my ears are warm, so I very often have a head band,
And I find with these things, if I get something really insulated or heavy fleece, I quickly get too hot, and prefer thin, light weight ones.
Don't do it as much anymore, but I used to ride a lot (in Boston) in the 30's, 20's and even below. And I had clothing for a variety of situations.
The problem I never have solved has been my feet. And when it's really cold, they will get too cold for me to continue. I have a build up on the sole of one shoe of an inch, and therefore, cannot possibly wear cycling booties.
Clearly, everyone responds differently to temperatures...you're really cold when I'm not, but I see people, happily zooming along in the cold with no gloves, which I could not possibly do. As for gloves: the perfect cycling glove (s) for cold DON'T exist. So many are too heavy.
And I find with these things, if I get something really insulated or heavy fleece, I quickly get too hot, and prefer thin, light weight ones.
Don't do it as much anymore, but I used to ride a lot (in Boston) in the 30's, 20's and even below. And I had clothing for a variety of situations.
The problem I never have solved has been my feet. And when it's really cold, they will get too cold for me to continue. I have a build up on the sole of one shoe of an inch, and therefore, cannot possibly wear cycling booties.
Clearly, everyone responds differently to temperatures...you're really cold when I'm not, but I see people, happily zooming along in the cold with no gloves, which I could not possibly do. As for gloves: the perfect cycling glove (s) for cold DON'T exist. So many are too heavy.
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"Follow the common advice to dress is layers of breathable material. Remember that when starting out on a ride in cool temps, if you're not cold starting out you're over-dressed."
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I find relatively loose fitting, light layers work well to keep things enjoyable. Most importantly, loose fitting shoes that don't limit circulation to your toes; you've got to be able to wiggle your toes with room to spare in the toe box.
Another thing to address might be expectation. Don't confuse having cold fingers with being cold. I've been doing a century a month for the past year which means I'm out for 12+ hours temps at or below freezing at least five out of twelve months. And I find as long as my core is warm I'm pretty much okay. I can be warm and have cold fingers; my toes can be cold and I can still relax and be comfortable. Having cold body parts does not mean you are cold, it just means your fingers are cold. This doesn't necessarily have to be seen as a problem. At your temps, there is no risk of injury. You can be out in 50 degree weather indefinitely with no adverse health effects.
I've spent a little time in the bay area and on the coast to the north, and I wonder if you would benefit from sealing yourself up against the dampness with outer layers that are wind resistant but breathable. For maximum versatility, I'd suggest getting a wind protection layer that is super light weight and just adjust the under layers according to temps.
I also can't help but wonder what you are using for hat, gloves etc. Sounds like you could maybe get more effective items?
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I'm in the Bay Area. It's not super cold like other areas, but we're in the 50s an 60s. Even though I'm wearing layers, a head warmer, gloves and toe warmers, it's still pretty cold. They do make a difference, but if one part of your body is cold, you're still cold. Like my hands. I'm wearing thermal gloves and it's still kinda cold. I can feel my forearms being a bit cold and the toe warmers help just somewhat, but my feet are still cold. And I do wear thermal socks, which make a difference.
But what I'm finding is I can't go out as long, it's not as enjoyable. I can go a little more than an hour but beyond that it's just too cold. I'm trying to get this down. I did order a new jacket, which I hopes makes a difference. But I just feel like I might be a piece away. Maybe wearing something to cover my face might help lol, so it would be like wearing a covid mask.
I really miss the other 3 seasons when it's in the 70s and 80s. Let me know your thoughts.
But what I'm finding is I can't go out as long, it's not as enjoyable. I can go a little more than an hour but beyond that it's just too cold. I'm trying to get this down. I did order a new jacket, which I hopes makes a difference. But I just feel like I might be a piece away. Maybe wearing something to cover my face might help lol, so it would be like wearing a covid mask.
I really miss the other 3 seasons when it's in the 70s and 80s. Let me know your thoughts.
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