auchencrow

Well - true to the C&V "buy now - ask questions later" ethic, I just bought a Miyata "Six Ten" not really knowing what it was worth.

I know the mid eighties Miyata 1000 commands a high price, but not too sure about the 610 - especially an early eighties model with a large (63cm) seat tube, high ten front fork, 27" Arayas, and non-canti Diacompe "G" side-pulls....

- On the upside, it is a nice powder blue color in very nice condition, has new specialized tires, Suntour V-GT Luxe rear DR, a Sakee Custom triple cotterless crank, and nice randonneuer bars.
- It does seem to have a terrific ride: I initially thought I was riding tubulars on a Reynolds frame, but discovered that it's chromoly tubing with 1" clinchers.

It is a tad large for me however, and I do have a few too many bikes at the moment...

So how much $ do you think I could recover, if I just overhauled it and sold it ?

wrk101

$200 to $225 in a good market in fully refurbished, ready to ride condition. Big size is a negative. Miyata brand is a plus.

jtgotsjets

The later 610s will command a premium over this one, as they basically had the same feature-set (cantilever brakes, braze-ons, triple crank, etc) as the 1000 with less blingy parts/frame.

Still, it's a nice bike for sport touring and will probably get as much as any decent Japanese road bike—I'd say $200-250 is about right, and it couldn't hurt to ask for $300 if you really clean it up and get it to perfect condition. Just don't expect the standard touring-bike premium.

auchencrow

Thanks wrk101 and jygotsjets -

Based on these estimates, I'd say "buy now - ask questions later" is still sound advice. (It will clean up nicely.)

- but I probably would have bartered more and done better, if I wasn't just a little smitten by that "Miyata Touring bike" mystique.

Drakonchik

One of the biggest issues determining value for these Japanese touring frames is whether the frame can take 700c wheels. By which I mean: if you install 700c wheels, will canti brakes make proper (and if possible, optimum) contact with the rims?

You might try testing 700c rims with more than one make/model of canti brakes, just to be sure.

wrk101

It doesn't have canti brakes. That's a major reason the value is low compared to touring bikes. Seems like only the early Treks and Cannondales with caliper brakes have typical touring bike valuations.

Drakonchik

Then it looks like earlier 610s had side-pulls, later ones canti. I handled a Miyata 610 with cantis a couple summers back, never worked out model year, but mine had Mountech rear derailleur and other typical early to mid 80s components. My 610 with 700c installed took Dia-Comp 981 or Shimano BR-M732 cantis that made proper rim contact, just barely.

rothenfield1

If your wanting to sell it, you might look at a recent thread started in the Touring forum by someone who is 6'5" looking for a vintage lug steel touring bike. FWIW, I remember reading somewhere recently that the 610 maybe a better frame to convert to a modern touring bike because it is stiffer than the 1000. Stiff seems to be 'in' these days, and you'll read complaints from today's tourers about the "noodley" feel of the old long wheelbase bikes like the 1000 & Exped when loaded. I don't know about the issue concerning the adaptability of cantis when converting to 700s though. Sounds tricky.

rothenfield1

I just realized that I broke 500 posts. Do I get a T-shirt or something?

Waves77

I was the guy that started the thread rothenfield1 mentioned. At 6'5" this might fit me.

If you settle on a price and could send me some pics and measurements maybe we can work something out.

FrenchFit 

Just consider, I look for 27" wheels, I love that ride. I have one Miyata with 27s and I would never consider converting it, and wouldn't have bought it if the seller had cemverted to 700s. So, there may be buyers out there that feel the same way, don't toss them too quick.

KeithSR

I have a later Miyata 610 (1985) - Shimano canti brakes and 27 inch wheels. I'm commenting because I have seen several posts that disparage 27 inch wheels, and I don't get it. My Miyata is a joy to ride, and I have a new (old) tandem also with 27 inchers.

As for tire availabilty, you have to look a little harder, but there are excellent 27 inch tires out there. I've got Continentals (2 types) and Michelins, and have seen many others.

What's the issue with 27s?

rothenfield1

The 27" issue would be a good separate thread.

jatree

Can anyone comment on whether a 1984 610 with canti brakes would be able to use 700c wheels?

JC Tour

In response to Jatree: Yes, the 84 Miyata 610 will convert over to 700c wheels. I had one and converted it no problem.

jatree

Thanks. So mine is actually a 1983 and I haven't decided if I should yet. Still trying to learn!

jatree

My 1983 came with Araya 27 x 1 1/4 w/o HP. rims (original from catalog said - Araya 16A(3) light alloy 27 x 1 1/4. They appear to be in good shape but I haven't had them looked at or trued or anything.

Any suggestions on tires that won't break the bank and where I could get them? I'd like something for longer rides/commuting that would hold up over time and prefer with out the gumwall. Was thinking some brand of continentals.

I'd like to eventually try fitting some SKS fenders that are probably made for 700c. Canti-lever brakes btw.

I kind of want them by tomorrow if I can install on my own so maybe I'll just bite the bullet and go to my LBS to pay more and get new tubes and them installed...

Wolfwerx

Well, can't help with the "by tomorrow" part, but normally I go to Amazon for my 27" tires. Good prices. Panaracer offers a few different models in 27"

One of my local shops has good prices on tires, though not a ton of selection, in the 27" flavor. $10 CSTs and $22 Ultra Sports. You might be surprised by one of your local places, call around.

If you have a Performance Bike shop near you, that may be a good option to check.

jatree

Thank you - planning on checking out a local shop or two as well as a Performance Bike.

jatree

I should add that the old Araya rims are the "smooth-bead" type if that is the right way to describe them. They don't have the hooked ledge that new rims do, just a straight wall. I have read that only wire-bead tires work with this type of rim. Unfortunately, the Performance Bike guy had no idea what I was talking about when I tried last night. Hoping another one or a local shop can give some direction. The latter's cheapest tire is $30. Needing two and probably them to install both, means more than I bargained for. I'm gonna learn how to install myself