Does endurance weight lifting help?
12-16-23, 08:11 AM
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For every study that find a marginal gain of some measure from strength training, there is another study that shows no gain. In other words, unclear.
Just one example (Philander 2015):
"Contrary to our hypothesis, the results demonstrate that concurrent [strength] training does not enhance muscle aerobic capacity and endurance performance in cyclists."
From (Rønnestad 2014):
VO2max: "There is little evidence that strength training should be the primary training mode to improve VO2max, and only a trivial effect of concurrent strength and endurance training on VO2max compared to endurance training alone in trained cyclists."
Economy: "[D]ivergent findings are evident on whether performing heavy strength training together with ordinary endurance training improves cycling economy."
Lactate threshold (running): "Since the majority of studies reported improved running economy in response to a period of concurrent strength and endurance training in endurance-trained individuals, it would be reasonable to expect an improvement in the exercise velocity or intensity associated with the lactate threshold...However, the endurance training literature comprises equivocal findings."
Endurance: "The traditional way of measuring cycling performance is time trialing lasting between 30 and 60 min. However, the effects of strength training are contradictory with studies variously showing either improvements or a trivial effect...Not all studies, however, have reported that concurrent training results in superior endurance performance, especially in males"
Not the ringing endorsement of strength training for endurance cyclists.
Just one example (Philander 2015):
"Contrary to our hypothesis, the results demonstrate that concurrent [strength] training does not enhance muscle aerobic capacity and endurance performance in cyclists."
From (Rønnestad 2014):
VO2max: "There is little evidence that strength training should be the primary training mode to improve VO2max, and only a trivial effect of concurrent strength and endurance training on VO2max compared to endurance training alone in trained cyclists."
Economy: "[D]ivergent findings are evident on whether performing heavy strength training together with ordinary endurance training improves cycling economy."
Lactate threshold (running): "Since the majority of studies reported improved running economy in response to a period of concurrent strength and endurance training in endurance-trained individuals, it would be reasonable to expect an improvement in the exercise velocity or intensity associated with the lactate threshold...However, the endurance training literature comprises equivocal findings."
Endurance: "The traditional way of measuring cycling performance is time trialing lasting between 30 and 60 min. However, the effects of strength training are contradictory with studies variously showing either improvements or a trivial effect...Not all studies, however, have reported that concurrent training results in superior endurance performance, especially in males"
Not the ringing endorsement of strength training for endurance cyclists.
12-16-23, 11:23 AM
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Agreed, the general health benefits of strength training are well established. The benefits for endurance cycling, not as clear.
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IMO, does xyz strength training protocol improve endurance is looking at strength training the wrong way. And equally, relegating it to better health underserves its potential benefit.
I speculate that a strength training period each season sets up the endurance training protocol for a better chance of success. Let's assume two cyclists of similar ability and age start a set of endurance training blocks leading up to an A event. One cyclist completes a strength training program preceding the start of the endurance program. I think the strength work will result in improved endurance performance during the training block with less chance of injury.
I would also go with more weight and less reps and focus on strength versus endurance. Why? I would not want to carry a lot of fatigue from multiple sets and reps in the gym into the endurance blocks. More strength and muscle activation due to lifting heavier will pay more dividends in the endurance block with less fatigue going in.
Of course one could design a small study to see if that is really true and the results could be true for that small study group but may not be generalizable to the population at large.
For me energy is a zero sum game. The more energy I use in the gym the less I have for the bike. So if I am going to do strength training with the exclusive goal of increasing aerobic performance then I have to be judicious with how much energy I use in the gym.
I speculate that a strength training period each season sets up the endurance training protocol for a better chance of success. Let's assume two cyclists of similar ability and age start a set of endurance training blocks leading up to an A event. One cyclist completes a strength training program preceding the start of the endurance program. I think the strength work will result in improved endurance performance during the training block with less chance of injury.
I would also go with more weight and less reps and focus on strength versus endurance. Why? I would not want to carry a lot of fatigue from multiple sets and reps in the gym into the endurance blocks. More strength and muscle activation due to lifting heavier will pay more dividends in the endurance block with less fatigue going in.
Of course one could design a small study to see if that is really true and the results could be true for that small study group but may not be generalizable to the population at large.
For me energy is a zero sum game. The more energy I use in the gym the less I have for the bike. So if I am going to do strength training with the exclusive goal of increasing aerobic performance then I have to be judicious with how much energy I use in the gym.
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I cam across another study which might shed some light on the subject of endurance strength training::
https://www.academia.edu/27624415/Ef...ard=view-paper
This is Nordic skiing, not cycling, but that doesn't matter. The interesting part is that 3' strength intervals worked unexpectedly well compared to 30" intervals. The authors postulate that this might be due to an increase in the aerobic contribution to the interval power. So maybe that's why a high rep strength set works so well and why there might be an endurance benefit. My 1 RM has very noticeably increased since I started doing the single 30-40 rep sets to exhaustion, compared to my recent results with 3 sets of 12.. It does take a little will power to gut out those long sets. My sets are usually about 2' long, shorter than the 3' sets in the study.
Those currently doing strength training might give this a try for a month, see what happens and report back.
https://www.academia.edu/27624415/Ef...ard=view-paper
This is Nordic skiing, not cycling, but that doesn't matter. The interesting part is that 3' strength intervals worked unexpectedly well compared to 30" intervals. The authors postulate that this might be due to an increase in the aerobic contribution to the interval power. So maybe that's why a high rep strength set works so well and why there might be an endurance benefit. My 1 RM has very noticeably increased since I started doing the single 30-40 rep sets to exhaustion, compared to my recent results with 3 sets of 12.. It does take a little will power to gut out those long sets. My sets are usually about 2' long, shorter than the 3' sets in the study.
Those currently doing strength training might give this a try for a month, see what happens and report back.
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For every study that find a marginal gain of some measure from strength training, there is another study that shows no gain. In other words, unclear.
Just one example (Philander 2015):
"Contrary to our hypothesis, the results demonstrate that concurrent [strength] training does not enhance muscle aerobic capacity and endurance performance in cyclists."
From (Rønnestad 2014):
VO2max: "There is little evidence that strength training should be the primary training mode to improve VO2max, and only a trivial effect of concurrent strength and endurance training on VO2max compared to endurance training alone in trained cyclists."
Economy: "[D]ivergent findings are evident on whether performing heavy strength training together with ordinary endurance training improves cycling economy."
Lactate threshold (running): "Since the majority of studies reported improved running economy in response to a period of concurrent strength and endurance training in endurance-trained individuals, it would be reasonable to expect an improvement in the exercise velocity or intensity associated with the lactate threshold...However, the endurance training literature comprises equivocal findings."
Endurance: "The traditional way of measuring cycling performance is time trialing lasting between 30 and 60 min. However, the effects of strength training are contradictory with studies variously showing either improvements or a trivial effect...Not all studies, however, have reported that concurrent training results in superior endurance performance, especially in males"
Not the ringing endorsement of strength training for endurance cyclists.
Just one example (Philander 2015):
"Contrary to our hypothesis, the results demonstrate that concurrent [strength] training does not enhance muscle aerobic capacity and endurance performance in cyclists."
From (Rønnestad 2014):
VO2max: "There is little evidence that strength training should be the primary training mode to improve VO2max, and only a trivial effect of concurrent strength and endurance training on VO2max compared to endurance training alone in trained cyclists."
Economy: "[D]ivergent findings are evident on whether performing heavy strength training together with ordinary endurance training improves cycling economy."
Lactate threshold (running): "Since the majority of studies reported improved running economy in response to a period of concurrent strength and endurance training in endurance-trained individuals, it would be reasonable to expect an improvement in the exercise velocity or intensity associated with the lactate threshold...However, the endurance training literature comprises equivocal findings."
Endurance: "The traditional way of measuring cycling performance is time trialing lasting between 30 and 60 min. However, the effects of strength training are contradictory with studies variously showing either improvements or a trivial effect...Not all studies, however, have reported that concurrent training results in superior endurance performance, especially in males"
Not the ringing endorsement of strength training for endurance cyclists.
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and another study, but not of endurance strength training particularly:
https://www.academia.edu/21588081
https://www.academia.edu/21588081
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And another study, this one on preventing one's cadence from dropping on long rides: https://www.academia.edu/24761321
Ms. Couturier has written many papers on cycling which look interesting..
Ms. Couturier has written many papers on cycling which look interesting..
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