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I'd like to add that Ritchey still makes the Road Logic in a rim brake option.
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I recently bought a Moots. I am not sure they do rim anything anymore. The only carbon bikes I like...same thing...no rim option. I don't wan rim brakes but in the past, there used to be rim options on several models. As far as stocking shops go, I see no rim models around here. There are some, I am sure. They have just become an ever-shrinking minority.
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Where can I buy a new car with a manual transmission and drum brakes? 
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I recently bought a Moots. I am not sure they do rim anything anymore. The only carbon bikes I like...same thing...no rim option. I don't wan rim brakes but in the past, there used to be rim options on several models. As far as stocking shops go, I see no rim models around here. There are some, I am sure. They have just become an ever-shrinking minority.
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09-06-23, 07:54 AM
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There are loads of used rim brake road bikes for sale online. And also yes, there are still some boutique/custom frameset options for rim brake road bikes. You can still buy rim brake wheelsets, groupsets, etc. I don't think any of that is changing anytime soon, as there are millions of rim brake road bikes out there that will still be rolling along for several decades.
As far as new 2023/2024 model year mass-produced major manufacturers go, these are becoming very rare. People online like to point to the few remaining models from Giant, Specialized, Trek, etc as proof that rim brake road bikes aren't yet dead, but it's actually fairly rare to find one of those bikes in a shop these days.
As for the car analogies, I don't think rim brake road bikes have any similarities to manual transmissions. A manual transmission adds to the sense of driver engagement and can make driving a car more fun. Rim brakes don't make a road bike any more engaging or fun to ride than disc brakes do. Disc brakes work better, but add a little weight - so a better comparison might be power windows and door locks, or power seats. In certain corners of the car enthusiast world you'll find people complaining about those as well.
As far as new 2023/2024 model year mass-produced major manufacturers go, these are becoming very rare. People online like to point to the few remaining models from Giant, Specialized, Trek, etc as proof that rim brake road bikes aren't yet dead, but it's actually fairly rare to find one of those bikes in a shop these days.
As for the car analogies, I don't think rim brake road bikes have any similarities to manual transmissions. A manual transmission adds to the sense of driver engagement and can make driving a car more fun. Rim brakes don't make a road bike any more engaging or fun to ride than disc brakes do. Disc brakes work better, but add a little weight - so a better comparison might be power windows and door locks, or power seats. In certain corners of the car enthusiast world you'll find people complaining about those as well.
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09-07-23, 02:06 AM
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I can't say I'm surprised. I see the new 105 mechanical 12-speed groupset is going to be disc only as well.
Living as I do in a hilly area, I used to go through shed loads of brake pads for my Force 22 calipers. I've just swapped bikes to one with the 105 Di2 groupset, and I'm not regretting it at all. There's one particular road I use quite a lot which is a fast, flat road that then drops sharply downhill to a junction with a main road. The disc brakes just have a much nicer feel and greater confidence when stopping.
Living as I do in a hilly area, I used to go through shed loads of brake pads for my Force 22 calipers. I've just swapped bikes to one with the 105 Di2 groupset, and I'm not regretting it at all. There's one particular road I use quite a lot which is a fast, flat road that then drops sharply downhill to a junction with a main road. The disc brakes just have a much nicer feel and greater confidence when stopping.
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You can't build a bike cheaper than you can buy it. Manufacturers get components at discounted rates due to volume purchase and that savings is passed onto the customer.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
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I have done both, but mainly because I like custom wheels. Plus, I change the bars/saddle/tape anyway. If I get a good deal, I'll buy fully built (like my Moots) but then I changed the wheels and bars and stem and seatpost. I built my Tarmac frame-up but I got a great deal on the frame and groupset.
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All of my pre-built bikes I have bought, the only changes I have made to make it the way I want it are either the wheelset or seat. Seats are of course a personal preference for comfort and you can always get quality china carbon wheelsets cheaper than what you can from the bike manufacturer.
If components wear out then I will probably level up.
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I think there is a lot more people that buy factory-built bikes, probably 95% of all bicycle purchases are factory built. My 2013 Lynskey Peloton was factory built, but I did make a few changes before taking possession of it so all I had to do was pay for the cost of the new unit but they subtracted the cost of the original unit off the next one because they were still unused. On the Lynskey I swapped out the rear 105 derailleur to Ultegra, the cheap low-end FSA headset to Cane Creek 110, and the unknown maker of the Lynskey CF fork to Enve 2.0. Then in 2019 I bought a Masi Giramondo 700c, all the stock components are still on it, over the few years I changed the stem and seat post to the Redsports Shockstop suspension stuff due to me using it to go camping/touring and felt I needed a tad more comfort riding days on end, and that stuff works great. I turned out not to be a huge fan of Deore derailleurs though, so I will probably be upgrading those before I do a really long trip next year.
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You can't build a bike cheaper than you can buy it. Manufacturers get components at discounted rates due to volume purchase and that savings is passed onto the customer.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
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You can't build a bike cheaper than you can buy it. Manufacturers get components at discounted rates due to volume purchase and that savings is passed onto the customer.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
I have a carbon Trek Domane with 105 groupset. Why would I build that? The only sub-par component on it would be the aluminum wheels. But I can get some China Carbon from Light Bicycle, BTLOS or Elite for cheaper than the Domane that was offered with Bontrager Carbon wheels.
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I would think most people here on this Forum would build their own. Especially if they want to use parts that are now considered anomalous, like rim brakes.
Like I said, I haven't bought a bike off the rack since the mid-80s--really before I fully understood bikes--and most of the cyclists I've known are shop personnel who would never consider buying off the rack. I also forgot (how could I?) how cheap people on this Forum are. Obviously, my views are tainted by my own experiences. I apologize for thinking more people on this Forum would prefer to build for themselves.
Carry on everyone, searching in growing vain for the increasingly elusive off-the-rack rim-brake bike.
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I feel you. I'm having a heck of a time trying to find a high quality penny farthing. The inexorable tide of safety bicycles seems to be taking over. I'd expect people here on BikeForums to agree with my opinion that the tried and true penny farthing is superior, but apparently that's not the case. Oh, well. I'll keep searching.