What's the deal with Walmart and Shimano?
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This thread makes me wonder what happened to the shimaNO guy.
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Ok way to point things out from far back in the conversation. I am not going to call Tourney quality in any sense and lie to anyone. You want to do that, fine, go for it. I choose to be truthful and not be an apologist for their bottom and below stuff. We are allowed to have differing opinions, that is the whole fun of this forum.
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I think it is something like this: Even the lowest-level Shimano stuff is going to work, which is unsurprising, seeing as derailleurs have been around for so long ..... Sure, the quality of materials is pretty low, but no one is buying anything Really Shimano and finding it doesn't work at all.
Of course, given that derailleur tech is so old, pretty much any derailleur is going to work a t least passably. However .... For the tiny percentage of people who know the name, the Shimano decal is more a graphic, just decoration .... Look how many ProTour bikes (and mass-market expensive bikes) have the manufacturer's name in big letters down the down tube----but since no one has ever heard of whichever random Chinese Communist factory produced the frame for whatever Taiwanese corporation was contracted to produce the frames .... so "Shimano" is mostly just a flashy imitation of "Look" or "Cervelo" or something .... but it is a real "bike company" name.
Of course, given that derailleur tech is so old, pretty much any derailleur is going to work a t least passably. However .... For the tiny percentage of people who know the name, the Shimano decal is more a graphic, just decoration .... Look how many ProTour bikes (and mass-market expensive bikes) have the manufacturer's name in big letters down the down tube----but since no one has ever heard of whichever random Chinese Communist factory produced the frame for whatever Taiwanese corporation was contracted to produce the frames .... so "Shimano" is mostly just a flashy imitation of "Look" or "Cervelo" or something .... but it is a real "bike company" name.
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Yes ... I understand that the GMC Denali bike and the GMC Hummer fat bike are both cross-commercializing with the respective cars .... but how many people, when the see a Denali in a Walmart, think "This is the same company that produces Chevrolets?"
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Ok way to point things out from far back in the conversation. I am not going to call Tourney quality in any sense and lie to anyone. You want to do that, fine, go for it. I choose to be truthful and not be an apologist for their bottom and below stuff. We are allowed to have differing opinions, that is the whole fun of this forum.
i'm not defending Tourney by the way, just your oblivious way of poking the OP in the eye.
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I think the Denali name was first offered to Cadillac, but they turned it down. We could be talking about Cadillac Denali bikes.
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There was a very good Cadillac branded bike frame produced about 15 years ago. It utilized Dedacciai Black Pearl carbon tubing, and appeared to be the same as a Van Dessel Solstice. (It may have also been the same as frames sold under the Viner and Guerciotti names.)
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I think it was Mongoose that decided it could make a ton of money selling Bib-box-sized bikes under its already-established brand ... which brand has now lost its luster, despite the real Mongeese never declining in quality.
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I mean it seems like at least a slight defense of Tourney but yeah I don't really care about trashing Tourney. You seem to have the issue and that is fine but I don't and not really concerned with saying the truth out loud if the OP has an issue they can have an issue it is not changing my mind on Tourney or changing what I say about it.
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In my experience, Shimano's garbage derailleurs work pretty well. I actually had one on my backup road bike for a while, I forget why exactly. It came off a hybrid that got hit by a motorist. But the crummy Shimano derailleur shifted just fine. I have a couple of ultegra derailleurs that would have worked in my box of spares.
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I agree that the Shimano name and products on WM bikes is not a good look for Shimano. I've had to work on some of those bikes and they are garbage! The first time I saw one come into the shop I was like "WtF is this?". The Shimano components are far worse than Tourney-level. I have to assume Shimano is making a profit from the partnership, but the bikes are an abomination. Buyer beware.
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I agree that the Shimano name and products on WM bikes is not a good look for Shimano. I've had to work on some of those bikes and they are garbage! The first time I saw one come into the shop I was like "WtF is this?". The Shimano components are far worse than Tourney-level. I have to assume Shimano is making a profit from the partnership, but the bikes are an abomination. Buyer beware.
Nobody that is going to buy bike shop level bikes would refuse to buy a bike with a Shimano drivetrain based on bikes sold at Walmart having low end Shimano parts.
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Just clarifying since I see that as different from Mongoose choosing to go that route.
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Advertising that a bicycle has Shimano components is like advertising that a bicycle has wheels. Shimano has several lines of components at different quality/price points.
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Yep. Like a sports car lover refusing to buy a Corvette because the Chevy name is also on things like the Volt.
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You have totally missed the point.... or perhaps you intentionally ignored it altogether .
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Perhaps you should explain the point, because I think a lot of us assumed there wasn't one when the OP opened this with saying he "puttered back to look at bikes at Walmart".
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By the way, the following is absolutely not to be taken as impugning your skills (although that disclaimer doesn't necessarily apply to all bike shop mechanics who post on Bike Forums; I have my doubts about some of them). The topic simply reminded me that, in my days of running bike shops, the mechanics who made the most noise about inferior bike components were always the least skilled, tending to fix things by rote, with questionable problem-solving instincts.
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