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Old 09-12-22, 12:28 PM
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Falling on clipless pedals is a rite of passage, and it's just a matter of training your habits. Eventually, unclipping when you stop will become second nature. But if you're not interested in getting that far, that's your choice.

I also gotta admit, I do use road shoes because that's what the pros use. Every time I waddle into a cafe I laugh at myself for how much easier walking would be if I just used mountain bike shoes/pedals, not noooooo, that's not elite enough for me.
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Originally Posted by raqball View Post
Can't believe this tread is still going...
Well, let's keep it going.

There's evidence out that too stiff of cycling shoe soles might cause plantar fasciitis even if they don't look like pro shoes. What say ye?
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Originally Posted by raqball View Post
Can't believe this tread is still going...
Seriously? What, are you new to Bike Forums?
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
So. Beginner opinions are worthless. When starting a new sport, the thing to do is to ape your betters. They're doing it right.
We live in odd times. There is a small but very loud group of people who believe that credentials, experience, and expertise are irrelevant -- or that they actually make a person's recommendations even more dubious, as they may have been brainwashed or are part of a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, these loud people typically have little education and expertise, and hence have no idea what they are talking about and no idea how the experts became experts. (Hint: it involves a bit more than a few hours on facebook.)

VegasJen is a petty little example: a noob who fell down a few times and then concluded that pretty much every professional cyclist ever, and the vast majority of serious recreational cyclists and amateur racers, are all fools for using clipless pedals. No one gives a **** whether some wanna-be triathlete in Backwoods, NV, clips in. But the attitude is a huge social problem.

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Falling on clipless pedals is a rite of passage, and it's just a matter of training your habits. Eventually, unclipping when you stop will become second nature. But if you're not interested in getting that far, that's your choice.

I also gotta admit, I do use road shoes because that's what the pros use. Every time I waddle into a cafe I laugh at myself for how much easier walking would be if I just used mountain bike shoes/pedals, not noooooo, that's not elite enough for me.
I hardly ride my road bikes anymore...But when my road shoes finally wear out (almost there), I'm gonna just put some SPDs on the road bikes. Sooo much more convenient, and I find SPDs to be as comfy and secure as SPD-SLs.
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Old 09-12-22, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
We live in odd times. There is a small but very loud group of people who believe that credentials, experience, and expertise are irrelevant -- or that they actually make a person's recommendations even more dubious, as they may have been brainwashed or are part of a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, these loud people typically have little education and expertise, and hence have no idea what they are talking about and no idea how the experts became experts. (Hint: it involves a bit more than a few hours on facebook.)

VegasJen is a petty little example: a noob who fell down a few times and then concluded that pretty much every professional cyclist ever, and the vast majority of serious recreational cyclists and amateur racers, are all fools for using clipless pedals. No one gives a **** whether some wanna-be triathlete in Backwoods, NV, clips in. But the attitude is a huge social problem.



I hardly ride my road bikes anymore...But when my road shoes finally wear out (almost there), I'm gonna just put some SPDs on the road bikes. Sooo much more convenient, and I find SPDs to be as comfy and secure as SPD-SLs.
i know you're not bashing nevada but...hey, c'mon, we are a great state.

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Old 09-12-22, 01:40 PM
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Every time I start a new sport, activity, job I also tell people who've been doing it for much longer than I have to stuff their insight, experience, and knowledge up their ass and let them know exactly how they should really be doing the thing. I also ignore what the vast majority of people do (hint: MOST cyclists don't ride clipless) in said activity so I can troll the minority with my brilliance.

Bonus points if you can later claim victimhood too.
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Well, let's keep it going.

There's evidence out that too stiff of cycling shoe soles might cause plantar fasciitis even if they don't look like pro shoes. What say ye?
I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than this, involving the shape of the shoe and the rider's pedaling and walking mechanics as well as their other activities and weight.
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There's evidence out that too stiff of cycling shoe soles might cause plantar fasciitis even if they don't look like pro shoes. What say ye?
I wear road shoes. I have plantar fasciitis. Case closed. Never mind the fact that I developed it while off the bike and gaining weight, and it has lightened up since getting back on the bike and losing weight.
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I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than this, involving the shape of the shoe and the rider's pedaling and walking mechanics as well as their other activities and weight.
All joking aside, a podiatrist has told me that I have a short achilles tendon, which makes me walk more forward on my feet, which causes the plantar fasciitis. Daily stretching of the tendon helps, along with orthotics. I have never felt pain after cycling, even after 10 hours of riding, but a day walking around Disneyland has been murder just halfway through, and I simply don't run anymore.
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All joking aside, a podiatrist has told me that I have a short achilles tendon, which makes me walk more forward on my feet, which causes the plantar fasciitis. Daily stretching of the tendon helps, along with orthotics. I have never felt pain after cycling, even after 10 hours of riding, but a day walking around Disneyland has been murder just halfway through, and I simply don't run anymore.
I have worked with a podiatrist for three years for a similar injury from a car accident. I know there's an awful lot going on, including how much strain a person's feet are under to begin with. And it's less about the shoes than it is about how appropriate the shoes are for the person.
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Red Panda uses flat pedals when she rides her unicycle. That should tell you how dangerous clipless is.
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I have worked with a podiatrist for three years for a similar injury from a car accident. I know there's an awful lot going on, including how much strain a person's feet are under to begin with. And it's less about the shoes than it is about how appropriate the shoes are for the person.
Did the injury lead to a problematic walking style, or was the injury directly to your plantar fascia?
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a day walking around Disneyland has been murder just halfway through
Oh, it's always been that way.

And that "It's A Small World After All" ride? Don't get me started...
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
We live in odd times. There is a small but very loud group of people who believe that credentials, experience, and expertise are irrelevant -- or that they actually make a person's recommendations even more dubious, as they may have been brainwashed or are part of a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, these loud people typically have little education and expertise, and hence have no idea what they are talking about and no idea how the experts became experts. (Hint: it involves a bit more than a few hours on facebook.) ...... the attitude is a huge social problem. .
I take heart in hoping that as these folks get older they will use their universal expertise to guide their health care decisions and ..... self-solving problem.

Darwin those puppies .... or rather, let them Darwin themselves.

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I take heart in hoping that as these folks get older they will use their universal expertise to guide their health care decisions and ..... self-solving problem.

Darwin those puppies .... or rather, let them Darwin themselves.
Generally, by that point they've already made any lasting contributions to the gene pool, so Darwin isn't involved anymore.
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Originally Posted by spelger View Post
i know you're not bashing nevada but...hey, c'mon, we are a great state.

If I had wanted to bash the entire state, I would've written "backwoods Nevada" instead of "Backwoods, Nevada."
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
I take heart in hoping that as these folks get older they will use their universal expertise to guide their health care decisions and ..... self-solving problem.

Darwin those puppies .... or rather, let them Darwin themselves.
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Generally, by that point they've already made any lasting contributions to the gene pool, so Darwin isn't involved anymore.
We are not doing the "Nature vs. Nurture" debate .... not until we solve chain wax and pedal for the whole world.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Did the injury lead to a problematic walking style, or was the injury directly to your plantar fascia?
​​​​​​For me it was the peroneus brevis tendons (both feet). I have always supinated, walking, running, standing, and even on the bike. Meaning I bear my weight on the outside edges of my feet, and this is exactly where the injured tendons run, which was preventing them from healing. We found running shoes that put weight on my arches and heels, and have lots of cushioning, and this was more effective than the morphine they gave me at the hospital in terms of pain. I can walk long distances and ride again. Still have some aches and soreness, and I only wear two kinds of shoes ever.
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Red Panda uses flat pedals when she rides her unicycle. That should tell you how dangerous clipless is.
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I hate to be the one to say it, but I think it might be time that this thread gets closed. I'm not sure the original premise was positioned in a way that allowed for good discourse, and while the responses started out reasonable, it didn't take long for them to evolve into teasing and personal attacks, which are generally only good for getting people to shut down. I don't think the OP is trying to troll everyone, but I'd appreciate if the conversation shifted towards a more positive tone.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
We are not doing the "Nature vs. Nurture" debate .... not until we solve chain wax and pedal for the whole world.
Not debating. Merely observing that once you've had your last child, Darwin and Evolution are largely done with you.
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Originally Posted by aliasfox View Post
I hate to be the one to say it, but I think it might be time that this thread gets closed. I'm not sure the original premise was positioned in a way that allowed for good discourse, and while the responses started out reasonable, it didn't take long for them to evolve into teasing and personal attacks, which are generally only good for getting people to shut down. I don't think the OP is trying to troll everyone, but I'd appreciate if the conversation shifted towards a more positive tone.
The OP wanted to meet one of the Fantastic 4. She even stated as much in her title. She gets her wish.
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We are not doing the "Nature vs. Nurture" debate .... not until we solve chain wax and pedal for the whole world.
It'll be time to wax my skis soon. 😁 👍

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Nobody must use clipless pedals. But to me it let me use a lower gear with higher cadence without the risk of slipping, thus acceleration is faster. Of course a pedal can’t change my power output.
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